Greek A1 finals 2012: Panathinaikos vs Olympiacos

[Psofimis]

The pressure to the refs is too much...Is it sold out?I tuned in after the jumpball...

[123ms]

well that was no foul...

[Psofimis]

What happened in the end of the first half???

[123ms]

What happened in the end of the first half???

Ref...

[Psofimis]

Did they attack the refs?The fraking sportscasters didnt say anything and what is this with their narration of the match?Its like they present a funeral.They are afraid that we will call them one team or another and they chose not to do their job properly.Gods Dorsey or Batiste dunk and its like they lost a child.Fraking idiots....

[Psofimis]

Kalathes our best tonight.The technical on dorsey was ridiculous.I am still laughing with him showing his teared shirt...

[Jazz]

PAO not looking too bad for an "old" team. Nice contribution from Smith tonight too.

[Khalid80]

Actually I think that the championship will end after 4 games. The 3rd game, is the championship game for both teams imo. Olympiakos will not lose again in OAKA with a 2-1 in pao's back.

Think again

PAO wouldn't just give up easily like that even after such a dismal game 3 at SEF...

[klakis]

Nice game from pao.
The fourth period was definetly the best in the series so far for pao.
Nice it all comes down to the last game.
Very very very interesting series!!!

[Khalid80]

The pressure to the refs is too much...Is it sold out?I tuned in after the jumpball...

Pretty much... When I bought my ticket on Tuesday the 10 & 20 Euro tickets were sold out so I bought the 30 Euro one.

What happened in the end of the first half??? Did they attack the refs? The fraking sportscasters didnt say anything and what is this with their narration of the match?Its like they present a funeral.They are afraid that we will call them one team or another and they chose not to do their job properly.Gods Dorsey or Batiste dunk and its like they lost a child.Fraking idiots....

Fans were cursing at the refs and throwing items at the refs as they were exiting through the tunnel... It was actually Thanassis Giannakopoulos who was trying to attack the ref but his body guard was holding him back... There was also another fan who was held back as well as he managed to get on court but was taken out by security.

I don't blame him (Thanassis) though cuz if you were there at the stadium watching the game you would have thought it was being played in SEF and not OAKA with such refereeing

As for the game PAO played a good second half where they controlled the rebounds and cut down their turnovers... Batiste was huge as he kept hussling and playing under the basket to either score baskets or get fouled... If he hadn't missed those easy baskets in the first half he could have easily scored 30 points.

And I don't like to talk about the refs but anyone who watched the game could definitely see that PAO wasn't being given fair calls throughout the game and as opposed to game 2 fouls weren't being called as frequently and the players were given more freedom to make hard contacts and for some to use their elbows freely (Olympiakos players)... Hines would have fouled out in the 3rd quarter or early 4th quarter max. instead of towards the end of the game had the calls been made properly..

[klakis]

And I don't like to talk about the refs but anyone who watched the game could definitely see that PAO wasn't being given fair calls throughout the game and as opposed to game 2 fouls weren't being called as frequently and the players were given more freedom to make hard contacts and for some to use their elbows freely (Olympiakos players)... Hines would have fouled out in the 3rd quarter or early 4th quarter max. instead of towards the end of the game had the calls been made properly..

Just.....lol!
no further comment......

[Picek]

And I don't like to talk about the refs but anyone who watched the game could definitely see that PAO wasn't being given fair calls throughout the game and as opposed to game 2 fouls weren't being called as frequently and the players were given more freedom to make hard contacts and for some to use their elbows freely (Olympiakos players)... Hines would have fouled out in the 3rd quarter or early 4th quarter max. instead of towards the end of the game had the calls been made properly..

I agree.. when through the years you have a habit of having refs on your side more then they were yesterday. then reffereing where only two technicals were given to Olympiakos and only couple of clear Oly balls were given to Pao can really look like poor reffereing.. for someone who is a Pao fan..

[Psofimis]

The pick n roll ,pass to batiste and then push, push and push a bit more until you get a foul was the main way of attack for your team in playoffs.I am not against every pao player except calathes and logan posting to get a foul and FTs as long as it can work for us also but most of our fouls are either basket n one or intentional to stop counterattacks.So dont tell me about elbows and stuff.When the other player seeks most of the time contact you either stand up or after you commit 4 fouls you let him score an easy basket.The refs will either give 80 fouls or they will foul out centers in the 1 quarter or they will let a more physical game like final 4.
In the game I remember only an obvious foul to perperoglou and his easy free 2p shot that he missed afterwards when papanikolaou stopped defending.The whole stadium was bitching all the time plus both benches and in the end we got more technicals than you.The one because of an offensive foul of dorsey(his fifth) when kaimakoglou was holding him so hard from his shirt to get the rebound that he teared it open.When the ref saw the shirt he smiled to dorsey but he didnt get back the technical or at least the offensive foul...
I am not saying that all that are intentional.The refs are crap and cant do properly their job under that kind of pressure.The same will happen at sef.

[childress67]

this pao cant win oly without the help of the refs..

[Olympiacos]

Fans were cursing at the refs and throwing items at the refs as they were exiting through the tunnel... It was actually Thanassis Giannakopoulos who was trying to attack the ref but his body guard was holding him back... There was also another fan who was held back as well as he managed to get on court but was taken out by security.

I don't blame him (Thanassis) though cuz if you were there at the stadium watching the game you would have thought it was being played in SEF and not OAKA with such refereeing

As for the game PAO played a good second half where they controlled the rebounds and cut down their turnovers... Batiste was huge as he kept hussling and playing under the basket to either score baskets or get fouled... If he hadn't missed those easy baskets in the first half he could have easily scored 30 points.

And I don't like to talk about the refs but anyone who watched the game could definitely see that PAO wasn't being given fair calls throughout the game and as opposed to game 2 fouls weren't being called as frequently and the players were given more freedom to make hard contacts and for some to use their elbows freely (Olympiakos players)... Hines would have fouled out in the 3rd quarter or early 4th quarter max. instead of towards the end of the game had the calls been made properly..

Sarcasm???

[CG]

What is more rediculus
Oly fans crying after a defeat from PAO trying to persuade us about things that are against their favor forgetting their vise versa (and not only) and accuse refs ( by the way when was the last time you didnt).return to football please cause it has become so predictable and you have lost credability.by the way as far as i know some people from here are betting about your reactions before pao - oly games.grew up and learn to lose and learn a shit about the game.young fanatics
[no need for that]

[klakis]

return to football please cause it has become so predictable and you have lost credability.by the way as far as i know some people from here are betting about your reactions before pao - oly games.grew up and learn to lose and learn a shit about the game.young fanatics

Simple question that will help me understand the game please.
When a player that has the ball steps on the line is it violation or not and who should get the ball????
Thanks!

[CG]

Simple question that will help me understand the game please.
When a player that has the ball steps on the line is it violation or not and who should get the ball????
Thanks!

Even if you have the right to suport your opinion and maybe you are right another pao fan can tell you many many other opposite things.this is pointless.like the huge dif of free throws at 3rd game.which for a same reason and like stupid your president react fanatically with a tshirt in the past just.same reason just vise versa.who is really idiot now.your president which looked fool or the people that this tshirt went for.
You are pointing one moment of the game when the game is a 40min period
You are pointing one moment specifically when you intentionally forget some more which happened previously.
You are pointing things which might same happen on favor of your team at the next game or happened atprevious.you look fool t say the least then.
You are speaking about ref calls when both teams play in a full arena against some of the toughest audience in the world and demand to be objective.after such pressure.have you played under pressure?or with your friends in your local school to know the dif.
You are playing against PAO in a hostile enviroment and you demand calls at oaka?learn this then,like it or not playing against huge teams at football basketball hochey etc the big names get the calls.even more if they play in a hostile enviroment.this is earning the respect factor.even if we say pao got some more calls at oaka is logical cause this is PAO like it or not.and there always be in a game reffery factor.the same happens against cska,real,barca,mta.the same happened 15 years ago when you were watching kid comics and oly were getting every call.big teams take big calls.
BUT in the series if you objective and not a blind fool reffering is awful for both teams.and logical if you ask me as every court home teams take 60/40 calls.ITS FUCKING LOGICAL.where will you understand that is another thing the bad reffering and other thing reffering slaughter.
So realise that when you are talking about reffering and accusing them remember that maybe at the next game you will be rediculed.
And since one of the refs of our title games are a friend of mine,the one your team accuse mostly,which by the way supports paok and not oly or pao, i can assure you that he and some from his collegues have to deal with boys like you which threatened them by sending them sms in their mobile and forced to go to the police station for protection of themselves and their family.and then you dare to talk about the last moment of a game and their pressure.
This is my final word from my behalf about refs.keep rediculed yourselfs
Now go to play one on one.

[klakis]

Even if you have the right to suport your opinion and maybe you are right another pao fan can tell you many many other opposite things.this is pointless.like the huge dif of free throws at 3rd game.which for a same reason and like stupid your president react fanatically with a tshirt in the past just.same reason just vise versa.who is really idiot now.your president which looked fool or the people that this tshirt went for.
You are pointing one moment of the game when the game is a 40min period
You are pointing one moment specifically when you intentionally forget some more which happened previously.
You are pointing things which might same happen on favor of your team at the next game or happened atprevious.you look fool t say the least then.
You are speaking about ref calls when both teams play in a full arena against some of the toughest audience in the world and demand to be objective.after such pressure.have you played under pressure?or with your friends in your local school to know the dif.
You are playing against PAO in a hostile enviroment and you demand calls at oaka?learn this then,like it or not playing against huge teams at football basketball hochey etc the big names get the calls.even more if they play in a hostile enviroment.this is earning the respect factor.even if we say pao got some more calls at oaka is logical cause this is PAO like it or not.and there always be in a game reffery factor.the same happens against cska,real,barca,mta.the same happened 15 years ago when you were watching kid comics and oly were getting every call.big teams take big calls.
BUT in the series if you objective and not a blind fool reffering is awful for both teams.and logical if you ask me as every court home teams take 60/40 calls.ITS FUCKING LOGICAL.where will you understand that is another thing the bad reffering and other thing reffering slaughter.
So realise that when you are talking about reffering and accusing them remember that maybe at the next game you will be rediculed.
And since one of the refs of our title games are a friend of mine,the one your team accuse mostly,which by the way supports paok and not oly or pao, i can assure you that he and some from his collegues have to deal with boys like you which threatened them by sending them sms in their mobile and forced to go to the police station for protection of themselves and their family.and then you dare to talk about the last moment of a game and their pressure.
This is my final word from my behalf about refs.keep rediculed yourselfs
Now go to play one on one.

First of all thank you for calling me young and boy i really appreciate!
i will not comment on what you said about people like me sending threatening messages i will return this right back to you.
Also thank you for admitting that the refs play minimum 60-40 depending on court which the game is played i totally agree and that is something i can live with.(Of course sometimes is not 60-40 is more like 100-0 like the 3rd final 2010 in OAKA).
Now please tell me an important play off game in SEF that the refs has made the same kind of mistake to favor olympiakos but not fouls and travelling decisions that i consider as a part of 60-40 i already told you about.
I am talking about a decision that is decisive!!!!Like DD steping on the line or the non call.
Instead i can recall in SEF last minute decisions not been called for olympiakos (like the foul of saras on papaloukas on the first final of 2011 if i am not mistaken).
We are not talking from the same base my friend.
Pao is been favored for many years now OAKA or not OAKA and independantly if pao deserved the title or not.
If you can`t see that.......i will not try to convice you that 1+1=2.

P.S. on the thing you said about the biggest team taking the whistles i just want to remind you that when DD steped on the line olympiakos was still the euroleague champion.So what the F**K??????? oly doesn`t deserve the same respect you get as european champions?????
So i don`t think it has something to do with the biggest team takes the whistle in A1 finals the last years it is rather PAO takes the whistle.

P.S.2 commenting on Aggelopoulos T-shirt???really???
When the owner of pao is this guy????
MPLOUZAKI-THANASH.jpg
Any second thoughts about the T-shirt?

[achelim niabass]

Back to the floor...

(I think) PAO's roster is better thant OLY's one.
But, OLY has the momentum since the EL quarter finals (Print', Pap don't touch the ground, they'are still flying... ).
They're (very) good in a lot of things, but watching scoring so points (Pap') or shooting so well for 3pts (Print) is another thing...
There also some PAO players that don't give all they can (Sato, Vougiou, Tsarta, Maric and maybe Calathes), for OLY, I think except Big Papadopoulos, they're in good shape : Gecevicius hit some 3pts shots during these finales, Keselj scored 10pts in 10min last time... Maybe Spanoulis has some troubles with his long shots

I like when Obradovic gives more than 3min to Smith
He's fresh and strenghtfull !

So, let see who will the championship, and then we could speak about the whole season (for both teams).

P.S : Batiste momentum is probably the key of tonight game... after being so mediocre/bad, he played so well in the 2nd half (ok with some easy baskets thanks to Saras, but alos a big presence in the paint) and maybe he regained some confidence.

PAO can win at S.E.F even with a 40/60 calls.