SBP Long-Term National Pool (Vol. XIX)

[durden_tyler]

Please refer to the definition of small ball once again- it is not the height of the guards but the point of attack. Chot can use small ball as most countries do but use taller point guards- I see nothing wrong with it. It's fine by me DT that smc is not allowing it's players to play, politics has always shown it's ugly face in times like these. I am sure that other companies will do similar things if smc is in the forefront.

Please defer to the many definitions of small ball as well-- it's not the height of guards but roles of players within that system.

[zuma169]

since we are in a mood of projected line-up for 2013.. here is what i want (considering all can cooperate)...

Douthit
Slaughter
Belga
De Ocampo
Williams
Parks Jr.
David
Lassiter
Chan
Norwood
Cabagnot
Pringle

since we are in a dribble drive offense, it is important to have aggressive players as well as good shooters just in case of kick-outs.. and this line-up has a lot of possible shooters (not necessarily 3 points) that the offensive attacker can kick-out..

and since we have the best big man in Asia Douthit, we must surround him with very competent scorers in case of switching and double teaming..

[weward]

remember our traditional small point guards would prosper in the local League play that we are used to seeing but in the long run in an International tournament play, they'll be a big liability in defense due to the emergeance of 6'5 to 6'9 Point Guards. When these tiny guards try to out run his defender, for every two steps he makes his much bigger opponent takes only one step to catch-up. Then imagine being posted-up or placing his shot way-up in the air by Sam Dahgles or Sun Yue when Alapag plays defense. Then except in a running game or when he does an outside shot, once they use their height and heft to guard him, Jimmy has a hard time finding his shot. Remember, early on the tournament, said small guard could get away with his quickness but late in the more important phase of said tourney after he gets scouted, he'll also become not that effective offensively.

this explains why monfort is being disliked by people for our NT.

[zuma169]

this explains why monfort is being disliked by people for our NT.

if we could find a monfort who is at least 6 feet tall, he is a shoo-in for the national team.. he is a pesky point guard who can shoot 3's at the right place and at the right time..

also, if we could find a pinoy kirk long who is at least 6'3" he would be a perfect perimeter defender as well..

[durden_tyler]

I'll just hope they win but it will be a heartless team, redundant. I don't feel any nationalism in it, empty, there is no love. It's just like following your favorite PBA team. Just for entertainment purpose only. It's like having a GF whom you like just because of her looks and gives you allot of sexual pleasures but there is no love in it. :-)

Thanks for openly admitting SMC's version is the hotter team

[MaNaNaBaS]

Is JAYR REYES REPLACING JASON CASTRO IN THE JONES CUP??? ANY CONFIRMATION?? WILL THE BTV CABLE BROADCAST THE GAMES??? ANY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT. TNX

[analyzed]

We are getting lost in terminologies again-- he was indeed attacking consistently but does not necessarily mean he plays the point. Offense did start through him but that happens with shooting guards or forwards or whatever position. Point is, it's difficult to label them-- you define them not by position but what role they are doing during that stretch.

Also would like to add the fact that Pepe Sanchez played 21 minutes (4 points and 7 assists) and Alejandro Montecchia (12 points, 2 assists) in the aforementioned USA-ARG game so really they never went too big there.

Actually in the international game the role of the Point guard as compared to the shooting guard has really been blured. A more accurate discription is 1 lead guard and 2 wing players. In your example of Argentina when Manu played with Montecchia he actually was the lead guard while Montecchia was the wing spotting up. It's the same with the Spurs when Manu comes in at the second unit he actually plays lead guard with Gary Neal who is technically the backup point guard plays off the ball and the wing. As far as Nardy's lin-up don't forget Pringle whiile tall is a natural break you down point guard of the dribble (perfect for Chot's system), you don't sacrifice speed with Pringle in the line-up if anything you actually increase the speed of the dribble. You ask what about his back-up, well if Pringle plays regular starter minutes which he should to maximize effincency you back-up point guard will be getting less than 10 minutes and with that a defensive oriented guard e.g Norwood , Reyes actually fits the bill . more than a small speedy guard. Remember it's defense that keeps you in the game when your starters are resting. I would rather go with a defensive guard than a PG who is a liability in defense for short stretches especially when matched up against prolific scorers like Doulglas or Wright. Strictly tactically speaking this makes a whole lot of sense.

[durden_tyler]

Actually in the international game the role of the Point guard as compared to the shooting guard has really been blured. A more accurate discription is 1 lead guard and 2 wing players. In your example of Argentina when Manu played with Montecchia he actually was the lead guard while Montecchia was the wing spotting up. It's the same with the Spurs when Manu comes in at the second unit he actually plays lead guard with Gary Neal who is technically the backup point guard plays off the ball and the wing. As far as Nardy's lin-up don't forget Pringle whiile tall is a natural break you down point guard of the dribble (perfect for Chot's system), you don't sacrifice speed with Pringle in the line-up if anything you actually increase the speed of the dribble. You ask what about his back-up, well if Pringle plays regular starter minutes which he should to maximize effincency you back-up point guard will be getting less than 10 minutes and with that a defensive oriented guard e.g Norwood , Reyes actually fits the bill . more than a small speedy guard. Remember it's defense that keeps you in the game when your starters are resting. I would rather go with a defensive guard than a PG who is a liability in defense for short stretches especially when matched up against prolific scorers like Doulglas or Wright. Strictly tactically speaking this makes a whole lot of sense.

Agree agree, i'm more into saying we don't lose in lots of terminologies (small vs big, etc etc) when in fact we could all be agreeing with the same thing. i do like Nardy's rather tall line-up, my point is that Chot has a tendency to go small if need be rather than go big. But as many mentioned, this could change depending on what's available. The roster might dictate the eventual rotation but what dictates the roster will be Chot's final selection-- so yeah, let's see from there what are the choices of Chot. Will he have 3 or more point guards in the 12-man roster (if yes, expect small ball of two PGs, or PG/tweener Gs), will he have one pure point say just Alapag and the rest of the Norwood/David/Castro tweener types (if yes, then expect one of these tweeners to bring up the ball/initiate the offense effectively bringing us a taller back court)

Again, let's not define players by height or by the perceived position they play but rather the role they bring to the table.

[ArAg0n]

No prob. BUT i didnt say these players i added were better than what sir nardy presented.
And they are role players as well playing same roles as the ones i compared to. Thats why I used 'or'.
If i want a stupid allstar team i should've included the likes of washington,caguioa,yap,alapag etc that some people used to post.
About Lassiter, I still wish him be allowed by SMC. lol SMC will have new draftees anyway. They may..just lassiter..i am not losing hope. lol
And about parks, i have been wishing him to be included even in gilas 1.

Point taken... I also do hope that Lassiter can be allowed to play. But as it is, we can only hope for the "BEST-EST". hehe Besides, they already allowed Villanueva(Enter Sarcasm here), that should be more that enough to show their support. :P

[ArAg0n]

Agree agree, i'm more into saying we don't lose in lots of terminologies (small vs big, etc etc) when in fact we could all be agreeing with the same thing. i do like Nardy's rather tall line-up, my point is that Chot has a tendency to go small if need be rather than go big. But as many mentioned, this could change depending on what's available. The roster might dictate the eventual rotation but what dictates the roster will be Chot's final selection-- so yeah, let's see from there what are the choices of Chot. Will he have 3 or more point guards in the 12-man roster (if yes, expect small ball of two PGs, or PG/tweener Gs), will he have one pure point say just Alapag and the rest of the Norwood/David/Castro tweener types (if yes, then expect one of these tweeners to bring up the ball/initiate the offense effectively bringing us a taller back court)

Again, let's not define players by height or by the perceived position they play but rather the role they bring to the table.

Kala ko puro kontra lang eh. Good point Brother! Peace

[durden_tyler]

Kala ko puro kontra lang eh. Good point Brother! Peace

i call out everything: stupidity and ingenuity included.

[mangangalakal]

Chot's intuition is when in doubt go small, isn't it?

[nardy]

Is JAYR REYES REPLACING JASON CASTRO IN THE JONES CUP??? ANY CONFIRMATION?? WILL THE BTV CABLE BROADCAST THE GAMES??? ANY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT. TNX

Chot Reyes ‏@coachot

GILAS UPDATE: Jason Castro MRI shows jumper's knee, needing rehab, thus keeping him off Jones Cup roster. JR Reyes will take his place

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hmmm not seen any announcement or commercial from either Solar BTV or AKTV at IBC 13 of any Jones Cup TV coverage.

maybe its due to the Olympics.

[Alex07]

In this line-up we'll see Gabe play point guard in a tag team with Stanley and Ryan. They could slash into the lane with descent outside shooting. They could also play together while switching positions to confuse the enemy.

Beau and Ryan could be our enforcers.

Gary, Jeff, Larry and Rayray as our main gunners to break the zone with Beau on occasions luring his man out of the lane with his booming 3s.

This team also features rebounding guards and small forwards.

Hoping for a more confident and matured Japeth after sometime under Coach Norman.

Greg could spell Marcus in quality time with Beau as the 3rd option at Center thus freeing Japeth from said responsibility and have him focused on being a Forward either as a 4 or a 3.

We could also use the athleticism of Japeth, Kelly, Gabe, Rayray and Stanley to our advantage.

Kelly would not be a fulltime Power Forward as Beau and Japeth is there but I also hope to see from time to time a twin tower combination of Greg and Marcus with the 3 other players inside connecting from the outside.

With so many players who could switch positions, I think transition from pressing defense to floating zone defense would be a breeze for this kind of team.

I dont agree with this completely. I'm not seeing Belga bullying guys who are 4-6 inches than them even in Asian standards. It might even turn into a disadvantage because we know that Belga could give an awful amount of fouls rendering him useless and the team in danger of giving up two many free throws..and we all know that Beau lacks mobility on the defensive end.Though Belga has a decent outside shot but other than that I don't see him defending anyone from Iran,Korea or China.We also have a lot of pint sized shooting guards,though they are clearly an advantage outside the arc,I'm not sure about their capabilities on the defensive end.Imagine a 6'4-6'6 opponent guarding our 6'1 guard who is just as quick and fast as him.I know height will always be our disadvantage but I believe we can get the players who could cut the gap from a hug 5-6 to 2-3 inches at the least.I might be wrong but I think having too many undersized guards or players for that matter,wouldn't be an upgrade for our NT.Just my two cents.

Chot's intuition is when in doubt go small, isn't it?

i'm glad you mentioned that..his lineup before consists of Alapag,Caguioa,Ritualo,Hontiveros etc.just like David and friends.I think he believes that having a naturalized guy is enough to cut our height disadvantage..heck Douthit is even 2-3 inches smaller than Heddadi or Wang.Let's just see how his team would fare in the Jones cup.

[nardy]

I dont agree with this completely. I'm not seeing Belga bullying guys who are 4-6 inches than them even in Asian standards. It might even turn into a disadvantage because we know that Belga could give an awful amount of fouls rendering him useless and the team in danger of giving up two many free throws..and we all know that Beau lacks mobility on the defensive end.Though Belga has a decent outside shot but other than that I don't see him defending anyone from Iran,Korea or China.We also have a lot of pint sized shooting guards,though they are clearly an advantage outside the arc,I'm not sure about their capabilities on the defensive end.Imagine a 6'4-6'6 opponent guarding our 6'1 guard who is just as quick and fast as him.I know height will always be our disadvantage but I believe we can get the players who could cut the gap from a hug 5-6 to 2-3 inches at the least.I might be wrong but I think having too many undersized guards or players for that matter,wouldn't be an upgrade for our NT.Just my two cents.




i'm glad you mentioned that..his lineup before consists of Alapag,Caguioa,Ritualo,Hontiveros etc.just like David and friends.I think he believes that having a naturalized guy is enough to cut our height disadvantage..heck Douthit is even 2-3 inches smaller than Heddadi or Wang.Let's just see how his team would fare in the Jones cup.

let me repeat in tournament play we use players differently from how they are used in League play. The vast improvement of Beau is often overshadowed by his reputation but he has turned out as a bigger and heftier version of Ranidel de Ocampo who despite his size is still agile reminiscent of Chito Loyzaga who is said could only jump that high and is not that quick as a runner but as whole has been effective. We saw the different kind of impact Ranidel had given after he reinforced SMART GILAS, the usual slashers which attack our interior defense thought twice before doing so with Ranidel inside. His presence makes a different feel in the game compared with Kelly, Japeth or Mac were inside. So imagine of what a much improved Belga can do.

We should not look only within the box, you should also look at the outside even at the fringes. As I said take advantage of ones individual strengths and not ponder too much on what he has not. We play as a team and we cover for each others weaknesses thats the way to do it. By trying to match-up would be a mistake as not all our opponents are of the same make ..... what could be our weakness against one team could actually be an advantage on another team.

As I said, lets see how the line-up designed by Chot for the Jones Cup would actually fare over there.

[bognut]

hmmm not seen any announcement or commercial from either Solar BTV or AKTV at IBC 13 of any Jones Cup TV coverage.

maybe its due to the Olympics.

Im sure ESPN Asia will show this one with Mr. "Agweyar" commentating.

[interxavierxxx]

Im sure ESPN Asia will show this one with Mr. "Agweyar" commentating.

Now that you mentioned it, I find it really hilarious that commentators do not know how to pronounce 'Aguilar'. It's not a very uncommon name and they should know by now that 'ui' is read as 'i' in most Spanish names and words.

[Tobslerone]

Coach Chot
Coach Spo will drop by GILAS practice too. Pusong PINOY talaga! RT @SingsonCarlo: @coachot Yes, I suggested to Epok 10-11am.

[nardy]

Now that you mentioned it, I find it really hilarious that commentators do not know how to pronounce 'Aguilar'. It's not a very uncommon name and they should know by now that 'ui' is read as 'i' in most Spanish names and words.

it might sound funny to us Filipinos but in the US when they pronounce Aguirre its said as "Ag-wayr" not the way we say it in "A-gui-re". I remember that because that's how they say the name of former Dallas Maverick and Detrot Piston star player Mark Aguirre.

Many times since we are used to hear that word being said that way, we assume thats the right way to say it, just like the word 'often', I grew-up hearing it said as "OFF-en" but when I got into the corporate world and also at times I went overseas there are times I was corrected and was told it should instead be pronounced as "OFF-ten"

But in the case of Aguilar, since he is our player, someone should correct that commentator on the proper way we do pronounce the surname of Japeth.

[nardy]

By the way another innovation FIBA is working-out is the addition of several 3x3 Basketball competitions in the Olympic Calendar. The purpose is to make the sport attractive to more countries as they have equal opportunity to win Gold Medals in basketball unlike the traditional 5-on-5 team competition with is current format gives only a few teams the odds of winning the Gold Medal. Said move surprisingly has the NBA conducting its own tournaments among the young all over the world in order to promote this variation of basketball.