2012 PBA Draft

[mangangalakal]

What bar was that?
Last time i looked they looked to get drafted because they needed long-term contracts-- something SBP couldn't give. And way before that choosing the country's colors came with a price-- they were salaried players for an NT, paid for by the SBP/MVP.

Why are we still discussing this again? Or are you still intentionally acting blind to the entire situation?

Not really. By "Gilas I setting the bar" I just mean that they were willing to devote 3 years of their basketball career full-time to the NT. To me the "price paid for their services" didn't matter. They could have jumped straight to the PBA. It was both practical and rather patriotic so I was just hoping the soon-to-be-named cadets do the same if given by SBP (or anyone for that matter) opportunity to do so. You can call it wishful thinking.

[mangangalakal]

^^ So are the NLEX guys applying in the coming draft?

ronnie magsanoc appears to be saying so in the NLEX-Big Chill postgame. Marami daw mawawala eh NLEX will lose a lot of guys.

[thatweirdguy]

ronnie magsanoc appears to be saying so in the NLEX-Big Chill postgame. Marami daw mawawala eh NLEX will lose a lot of guys.

Interesting. I was expecting MVP would block his players from entering the draft if SMC gets most of the top picks.

[mangangalakal]

Interesting. I was expecting MVP would block his players from entering the draft if SMC gets most of the top picks.

They can get them back via trades anyway. i don't know why SMC is so paranoid. The independent teams will be nice to them anyway.

[thatweirdguy]

They can get them back via trades anyway. i don't know why SMC is so paranoid. The independent teams will be nice to them anyway.

Forgot about the farm teams lol. But what if SMC made an offer they can't refuse? It would be less riskier If they would until the MVP teams get the top picks

[durden_tyler]

Interesting. I was expecting MVP would block his players from entering the draft if SMC gets most of the top picks.

Not that easy "blocking" players in declaring for the draft. Are you ready to pay them long-term?

Say Player A is projected to become one of the top picks then his salary valuation jumps to what?-- 150K? 200K (Outside the under the table perks ) for 2-3 years? Compared to PBA D League salary (peanuts: 50K? 60K? i may even have overestimated that) that is quite an increase-- not even mentioning you have to multiply that by the number of years the new contract will provide. As a player you want the biggest salary and the LONGEST contract you can lock-up at the soonest possible time (risk of injuries, etc)

Now you can argue that MVP can simply pay them to stay even for a year or so (until they are sure in getting them)-- an empty point since you have to ask yourself why did they not lockdown the likes of Lassiter, Lutz, etc (better prospects even) when they had the chance? As Nardy mentioned, MVP has money but he is wise in his investments. Would he really go that route knowing there are lots of other factors you can't control?

[thatweirdguy]

Surely he has learned from that "mistake". I mean why develop them if your not going to keep them?

[nardy]

Surely he has learned from that "mistake". I mean why develop them if your not going to keep them?

maybe he is also still waiting for the ROI he made on Japeth before he makes another such move.

Plus we all know that even if a player is a star or a standout in the "amateur" leagues, D-league or National Team it does not always equate that he'll be good in the PBA.

[killmebusy]

then again, if MVP blocks "his players" from entering the draft then he wouldn't be any much different from the original evil empire...he would also already be hoarding.

[epic_dream]

then again, if MVP blocks "his players" from entering the draft then he wouldn't be any much different from the original evil empire...he would also already be hoarding.

nahh, danding prompted mvp to do that

[killmebusy]

nahh, danding prompted mvp to do that

still, the morally and socially correct thing to do is to not block anyone from applying in the draft..either that or stoop to the level of the original evil empire by doing so...

[killmebusy]

Too bad trillo has to "settle" for abueva...

[RedMetal]

I think PBA should add ABL as the other league which Fil foreigner can play as requirements for elligibility except only Dleague, so that exceptional players like Pringle and Banchero can be drafted.

[durden_tyler]

I think PBA should add ABL as the other league which Fil foreigner can play as requirements for elligibility except only Dleague, so that exceptional players like Pringle and Banchero can be drafted.

IF and WHEN it becomes a real threat to the league in terms of acquiring talent, then the PBA will adjust eventually. Almost same scenario then with the MBA-- sure that league folded and was unsuccessful overall but there were times when MBA teams were able to outbid their PBA counterparts as big name players stayed in the MBA...

[Jay P. Mercado]

Apart from what DT wrote, the quality Fil-For players being churned out by the ABL isn't exactly voluminous. Sure, there's Banchero and Pringle but after them, who else? The Filipinos still playing in the ABL (whether with the Patriots, the Beermen or as imports of other ABL teams) are discards of the PBA - Salangsang, Cruz, Avenido, Belasco, Ferriols, etc. Not exactly a stellar list that would force the PBA to relax its rules once more when it comes to eligibility. Since the league crashed and burned with the MBA experience more than a decade ago, it would be more prudent for Salud to continue with this setup and just wait for the likes of Banchero and Pringle to go through the stringent requirement of playing in the D-League or with the national team.

[nardy]

I think PBA should add ABL as the other league which Fil foreigner can play as requirements for elligibility except only Dleague, so that exceptional players like Pringle and Banchero can be drafted.

the PBA would not do that since majority of the players, may it be local or fil-foreign, ultimate goal is to play at the PBA that will force said players to play at the PBA's D-League which is the current requirement.

Since Fil-ams below 27 years old who have not played in the PBA's D-league are ineligible to join the PBA Rookie Draft, it has forced Chris Banchero to play at the D-League which was confirmed by Noli Eala in a tweet some time ago.

the PBA does not see the ABL as a complimentary league or a "feeder" league like the D-League but they consider it as a competition like the MBA. That is why a number of D-League teams had cutted local players from their line-up if they are to play in the ABL, the players are made to choose.

The PBA might look selfish but this is business, you do not help your competition to grow .... you want it to die.

[nardy]

Apart from what DT wrote, the quality Fil-For players being churned out by the ABL isn't exactly voluminous. Sure, there's Banchero and Pringle but after them, who else? The Filipinos still playing in the ABL (whether with the Patriots, the Beermen or as imports of other ABL teams) are discards of the PBA - Salangsang, Cruz, Avenido, Belasco, Ferriols, etc. Not exactly a stellar list that would force the PBA to relax its rules once more when it comes to eligibility. Since the league crashed and burned with the MBA experience more than a decade ago, it would be more prudent for Salud to continue with this setup and just wait for the likes of Banchero and Pringle to go through the stringent requirement of playing in the D-League or with the national team.

there were actually more talented and quality players who wants to play as locals for the Patriots and Beermen or as ASEAN Imports for the other ABL Teams but since most of them are already under contract with PBA D-League teams they told not to do so or face the consequences. Since their primary goal is to make it to the PBA, then they have no choice but stick with the D-League leaving the guys out of the PBA and are too old for the D-League as the guys available for the ABL.

Another difference is the ABL contracts are only during the duration when the players are active in competition or are in preparation, during off-season they do not get paid. The PBA and PBA D-League I think follows the NBA scheme wherein playing or not playing, you get your monthly salary.

[nardy]

Interesting. I was expecting MVP would block his players from entering the draft if SMC gets most of the top picks.

no need as MVP could readily raid the pool of players from the schools he is supporting like Ateneo, San Beda, UP and to some extent FEU.

[sharky]

up up updates...

[startupsold]

maybe he is also still waiting for the ROI he made on Japeth before he makes another such move.

Plus we all know that even if a player is a star or a standout in the "amateur" leagues, D-league or National Team it does not always equate that he'll be good in the PBA.

Why don't he just trade Japeth to move up in the draft, if it turns out a deep class. Japeth is looking like a bust each day.