Not that I am too fond of Dorsey but you are dead wrong. Saras doesn't defend and is yet a multiple EL champion. PAO also tabbed Javtokas, a premier defender but a very one dimensional offensively player. EL champion. The EL is full of specialists, on high level, mid-level and low level teams.Originally Posted by maccabeo
Maccabi doesn't overpay players thus it hardly joins the market in the beginning. There is a plenty of time to add players. The Summer League still isn't over, many players haven't found their teams. In the meantime, Lokomotive Kuban, a third tier Russian team has signed Alex Maric. 1.5 mio USD for the first season, 1.75 mio USD for the second. This is what you call overpaying. He is a player who needs to prove himself again. Everything abover 500.000 is too much.
burnstein
u know i apppreciate not overpaying players,but also i'm not for a so "cheap" policy. differently than u i think that is easier finding players at the beginning of the season. now there are only "discount" players who didnt find any team.his is not a market policy.this is simply going to discount. as i appreciate shermadini,hickman,caner, i have to underline mta is simply looking for a discount to add next players. i think this is because of new formula that allow a team to be tranquil ,considering is not important wich is the reg season's standing. i bet mta will add 'players in winter,but i cant understand it. builting the beast glue between players,is easier builting the team now.
saras WAS just an offensive g, yes,but being an offensive player (or defensive) doesnt mean having one only quality. he was an assist man, a scorer a shooter and so and so. so look at stonerook. he is a defensive player,but he is a shooter a rebounder a passer a huge brain on court. being just an opposing player(that is a perfect definition for oly c)it means just be a phisical player . he has no other skill.
Logan.. dramatic signing?
Roster so far:
Hickman - Roth
Logan - Landesberg
Smith - Pnini
Eliyahu - Caner
X - Shermadini - James
How many more players needed? Obviously another big and maybe another guard?
if u saw at his last two years, yes, logan is a dramatic add. this is the kindf ofm player who needs feeling as the star of the team, having often ball in hand (like mallett). when he is a part of a team, is a disaster. again, this is classic add because no more player are cheap f.a.Logan.. dramatic signing?
Roster so far:
Hickman - Roth
Logan - Landesberg
Smith - Pnini
Eliyahu - Caner
X - Shermadini - James
How many more players needed? Obviously another big and maybe another guard?
we surely need at least a c and a g,butr the problem is not "how many" the problem is "who", considering actually best players are gone
Damn, our back court line looks like of an Eurocup team...I hope we'll close quickly with Mensah-Bonsu. Although he's more of a 4 then a 5, but I don't see any good centers in Europe right now. I wish we could get David Andersen, what a great player. As for another guard, it won't happen, at least not now. Maybe the management wanna pass through our comfortable group with this roster and in case we need another players they'll bring for the next round.
"NOBODY FUCKS WITH MACCABI IN THE YAD", E. Williams
Help me out if you can. What's up with Scheyer, I thought he was still under contract? I thought James was leaving due to tax issues?
Did Maccabi try to go after Tyus?
suere,Damn, our back court line looks like of an Eurocup team...
owners are clearely building an eurocup team,with an eurocup budget, for the reg season. after it, they ll see what market will offer to add somebody better,but this isnt the way to go on in euroleague. if u have no money for el ,is better stay at home.
are the fixtures for the israeli artzit league for 2012-2013 out ?
i need help please
The new Maccabi
After I watch several games of Maccabi, and after the final signing of Thomas as the big man of the team I feel really bad for Maccabi, but at the same time I think that the bad situation in Maccabi may add some drama to the Israeli title race.
I know that it is just the beginning, and coach Blatt already did some miracles, and took a bunch of mediocre players and convert them into a good team that beat more talnted teams time after time. But this year the team looks way to weak.
Our main problems:
1. No big man: Eliyahu, Thomas, Sharmadini, James are decent player but we will not be able to compete with the power houses of Europe that will crush as under the basket. The only hope is to play some "run and gun" offence that may use our speed advantage against real Centers, but in the last year we were able to run against an averaged teams or talented teams with crappy coaches, when we meet good teams with decent coaches, most of the times we played half court ball.
2. No go to guy. We just don't have a real scorer who can create points from nothing in different ways. Medley is a decent outside scorer, but he is not a guy who can create points from nothing every game against good defenders, Logan is a scorer by nature, but he score just 6.5 pts last season, Hickmann had the best statistics last season but I'm afraid he doesn't have the skiils to perform against top defenders. I think Landesberg may surprise everyone (Outside of Israel) with his skills, but it's kind of hard to count on him at his first season in a power house of Europe (Even though Pargo handle it pretty well).
The bottom line is that almost every season we had a great 1 on 1 player like: Parker, Solomon, Beynum, Pargo, Langford... In a good day they were unstoppable. This season we will miss them very much.
We have some other prolems that Blatt will solve as season moves forward, but the two points that I mentioned are great holes in Maccabi this year. Without a huge signing in the winter, I don't see this team compete with the biggest teams of Europe and may be even vulnerable in the Israeli league.
i'm agree of many things u wrote, but i cant write, blatt is innocent . in last two ys blatt made many mistakes ion market, the main one, is not considering at c position as he should.altought i consider shermadini a huge and probably one of best three c in europe, we needed a diffrent c close to him. surely, not thomas (who is more a pf)
i cant understand why a coach like blatt didnt consider c position like we need
about this year yes, we have a top 16 team not more, anyway all will depend on hickman. in italy he was great. we ll see in europe. logan already showed how we cant count on him . one game he can break matches for us, three game he is a disaster. this is his story in eu. players like pnini, caner, hickman, shermadini,are good , but 4 veryu good players is not enough for this level. we have to consider first round. probably owners want to see whant about this cheap team, hoping to get playoff with this roster. first group i seasy and will say them if we ll need more add after 1st round.is not the best way to built teams, waiting 1st round, but thats it i think.
more than langford we ll miss blu a lot.
are u all ready. finally is time to play. this first match ,since an hard match on the road vs malaga, will say a lot about this team. is a very hard to read this team. i guess we ll many answer tonight even if is the first match
i'm not considering the results(malaga will win for sure),but the way we play and wich kind of loss will be. playing hard and a better offensive basket than last year,having a more various way of play, being close to malaga ,would be important
Since when is the first match of a round a proper indicator? Two seasons ago, Maccabi lost badly in Vitoria, only to win nine straight in a convincing style afterwards. It has lost the first Top 16 game, but advanced. I has lost the first playoff game but won the following three.
I want my team to win every game. But it isn't in its best shape right now and has so many new players aboard that it is too early and too hard to tell. It hasn't played many preaseason game. The ISraeli league still hasn't started. Thomas is very new and Smith has been injured until lately. They will need time as does every team that is totally new. Still, I hope for a W today (as in any other game, regardless of the opponent).
burnstein
The third quater is just ended, And I must admit that whatever the final result will be, Maccabi surprise me again, we were able to play a decent game against Maccabi.
I still think that this team is just not talented enough to win against the big names. But I must admit that before this game I was worried that Maccabi will be a real disaster this year (Maybe even loose the Israeli title), after 30 minutes of Spanish therapy, I see that this team may have the potential to reach the top 8 spots of Europe.
Off course it is just the first game and things can change, but it's very funny to see, that even though I'm a basketball fan for many years, I still know nothing about this game, 30 minutes of ball game change my opinion towards the new season.
A great and important victory, I enjoyed it very much, but with all do respect it's still not an indicator for nothing. I still think that we will have problems with Hickman this season, I don't like him as a point guard and in my opinion he is not a Euroleague player, he is a Eurocup player. He's very inconsist, he had a decent game today but his shooting isn't stable and him playing as point guard makes me insecure. Ohayon wasn't bad as well but Logan on the other hand is on fire and in good form. Oliyahu for me was the MOM, simply amazing. I liked Thomas as well, he has moves in the paint but 8 rbs and 3 blk in 18 minutes! wow, very impressive. Since it was his first game, I think that in 3-4 games he'll be even better. Caner-Madly & Shermadini disappointed me a lot. Caner plays without confidance, offensively and defensively and Shermadini is too soft and cannot guard on anything. Buttom line is that we won in a court that not many teams will win there even though Malaga was weak. Next Sunday we have Jerusalem to beat and then Siena on Thursday.
"NOBODY FUCKS WITH MACCABI IN THE YAD", E. Williams
What a great way to start the season.. it was a big surprise for me to see Maccabi playing like that, the first half was fantastic and showed that this team has huge potential. if they can play like that so early in the season and with Smith missing than things are looking good.
i confirm. it wasnt important the results. this is just the first day (obviously win in malaga is a great results and as u can read, no one imagined it, not just me). the most important things was to verify this team. since i parecipate this forum is first time i have positive feeling on an mta roster. this team is builted with low budget, but is a very-hard-to-read team for opponents because of so many players with so many offensive option. last here mta in offense was ball to sofo, or ball to langford. somethimes blu had to invent magic points.nothing more. it was a really ugly team to see. this time we have a couple of star, some good player, some average player, a couple of non player,but the results is a roster with many many option and what impressed nme yesterday was how dinamic is our defense. really great. we just let malaga irrational shoot by downtown. we still have some problems with ball in hands. nor ohayon ,nor hickman (who has much more skill thah this) gave us a fast ball moviment, but its ok.this team is an average team that can be an outsider team because of a very rare chemistry ,having a so varoius players. also, james is getting better, landesberg showed can be a good el player.as i wrote yesterday i just hope blatt will not misconsider caner as happened with macvan.
yes hickman played bad and he isnt a playmaker,but last year here in italy he was magic. logan is a player u cant trust always. that's true. we ll see, but the kind of defense we showed yesterday ,cant be by chance. shermadini: he is on os the true star of this team. i'm not sure u know him . he is a fighter he has smooth hands to be a center and he is great under the baskert. imho,is the best el c! yes , it was one of my dream see him with mta. u'll see
is not an indicator for results, but for basket styke , yes. i cant imagine this kind of defense. very very aggressive, fast and dinamic. i cant see one reason why i should consider not our usual defense this year. if u ask me what i think about mta when we ll face cska , fener, barca , i'll say we ll lost by 15-20 ps ,but after greatest teams probably 6)this team can be considerd the 7th or 8th
i'm fascinated by defense and by (finally) the amount of offensive option we have and u know i hated ball to sofo option last year
Last edited by maccabeo; 10-12-2012 at 10:37 PM.
i'm wondering wich is the real level of actual il league.
mta is winning all israeli match b76y few points, but won on the road easily(more than the score) in malaga
so
is mta so mediocre while faced lately il teams, or il teams is getting stronger
i dont follow il league ,but i know some of the americans who play there. i think il league is getting stronger, for example is surely stronger than italian league
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