to all mta fans
just now i'm reading about pnini! what happened??
watching lately mta i wondered why he didnt play as i think he deserve. now i'mm getting there is some reason that is far to be a technical reason
mammamia
i've read about it just now in an italian site that reported pnini's "you are a nazi" to an hapole player.
pnini had surely a hard reaction and corretly mta dont consider him our captain. also, is correct a salary cut but i guess he dosent deserve to be off for all season long after those penalties.
but the most incredible think i've read is tha hapol fans wish to mta fans a shoah!!!!
IS IT TRUE??
from pargo/perkins to ohayon
from blu's shoot to logan shoot
from halperin and casspi to what
from langford to hickman
in few years we have lost a lot. it will be an hard top 16 in a too hard group for actual mta.
mainly , blatts mistakes and bad consideration are making this team worse than could be.
being outside israel make me hard to understand the inner feeling around the team, so i m asking to il guys:
1 is there any pressure by fans to add a g next month?
2 is there any good reason why landesberg is playing just few minutes per game, much less than he'd deserve, showing him to be a very good player? (ok, i know "the blatt system"...but there s something else?
What is the "Blatt system"? Stop your crap. No coach goes for bad players over good players. Landesberg is playing more lately. 24 mpg in 3 of the last 4 games. He is a rookie on this level. He has never played against such kind of offense and defense. He is still learning and I hope he can play a different role next season. James was MTA's third center behind Sofo and Hendrix. No physical enough for this level, not good enough on defense, could not break opposing defenses. He has undergone a learning process in a successful way and is playing very effective now.Originally Posted by maccabeo
Landesberg can do much more but you see than he is hardly dribbling. Apparently, an order from the coach because this is not a positive mismatch for MTA yet. Even though he can be a good scorer, he is not a sharpshooter. On defense, he is learning, too. Give him time.
burnstein
Hi
1) most of the fans are criticizing management for keeping their money and not being competetive on the market. By now, most of them realized that this is their method and lost their hope for another signing this year. It's obvious that the team is mediocre (at best) and it's sad that management still keeping their money in their pockets.
2) blatt usually praises landsberg at the media, but he kind of treats him like an NBA rookie.
I personally dont understand it,and thought that he should have played solid minutes a long time ago. Now i am sure about it. He has so much upside
well its a good sound for me to read that an il fan like u, think about landesberg the same as me. blatt is making many mistakes on market and managing this roster since the start of the season . probably in israel he is not considered a so great coach as somebody here(not me)
actually the european crisis will impact all teams (except turkish and cska. u'll see that real and barca will have soon problems ) so the real differencies between teams will be the quality of scouting and the inner youth policy. mta problem is that we only scout american market, not ex-yu market. sure, also no mta fan can accept managment who own money without investing a little bit more.
The common opinion in israel(and media also) is that landsberg needs to play more.
after 2 years in the israeli league most of the israeli fans knows what he is capable of, and it's a lot. He is way better than pnini fore sure.
About ex-yu: planinic seems like a good invesment atm.
He defends well the pick&roll and that is great asset for a center, especially in the euroleague.
"Elemental basketball. 70s style. no 3 pointers. Bad choice of players"
Did I miss anything maccabeo?
perfect!"Elemental basketball. 70s style. no 3 pointers. Bad choice of players"
Did I miss anything maccabeo?
u should just add his market and roster 's choices
dont what planinic could be (altought i'm sure sherma was a better player) but one ex yu player doesnt mean a policy's revolution. mta have scouts in the states . till the day we will not have scoting in croatia, montenegro, serbia , bosnia, watching at ALL young ex yu players, we ll play an old bball comparin the bball that is actually played in eu. hopefully next coach(i'm sure this will be the last year of blatt)could be a coach with an ex yu basket culture.there are many . i love spajia ,but katsikaris could be surely a good coach. p.s. ex yu culture coach doesnt mean he has to be just from ex yu countries. messina , katsikaris, trinchieri, pianigiani for example are all students about that kind of bball.
Last edited by maccabeo; 01-13-2013 at 09:57 PM.
goga likes Bamberg's coach Chris Fleming although I don't know if he wants him for Maccabi and I think his contract runs to 2016...
trinchieri is another great coach but now being grecian coach is harder to get. i'm sure soon or late obradovic will go to turkey. anyway there are many coach able for us and who would like to be in mta.
back to topic:
just 1 information I need to share with maccabo
this season Maccabi scouts and other personel from club were in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina sevrel times. They were on 3 Siroki games. Also were in Split watching their practices, They were also in tournament junior Israeli team played with clubs from this region. They also included Nikola Vujcic in decision about Planinic. Last game with Olimpija Nikola Vujcic went to Siroki to watch Planinic. Maccabi kids or Israeli junior NT are regular in Croatia evrey year playing difrent tournaments with teams from this region. Maccabi and Israeli basktball federation have very deep relationship with some people and clubs here.
Reason why Maccabi usually takes USA players then europian it's because they cost less
You don't know much about what you are talking about
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I said coach why we practice so much. He said God will bless us after all this hard work. How can I argue with that !
well, first of all thanks for news and i'm glad to know mta is often there, BUT, u know, my post was based on what i see since years and years. if mta always add mainly americans,i should imagine we just consider american market. plus, if mta always play an american kind of bball, i should imagine usa is the most considered basket in tel aviv. ok, i obviously believe in u and i'm really glad mta's coaches and scouts are there, but if we buy just american players because they are cheaper, so why are we there?back to topic:
just 1 information I need to share with maccabo
this season Maccabi scouts and other personel from club were in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina sevrel times. They were on 3 Siroki games. Also were in Split watching their practices, They were also in tournament junior Israeli team played with clubs from this region. They also included Nikola Vujcic in decision about Planinic. Last game with Olimpija Nikola Vujcic went to Siroki to watch Planinic. Maccabi kids or Israeli junior NT are regular in Croatia evrey year playing difrent tournaments with teams from this region. Maccabi and Israeli basktball federation have very deep relationship with some people and clubs here.
Reason why Maccabi usually takes USA players then europian it's because they cost less
You don't know much about what you are talking about
let me imagine that niko is probably recomending to better consider ex yu bball and soon in mta we ll see most eu players, but till now, even if our scouts are often there , there s nothing from ex yu in mta. thats why i imagined we arent there. it was simply easy to consider.
we ll see in future
Ahaha! Messina, the guy who fails miserably without superstars, whose teams were always considered to be playing boring basketball, concerete defense but nothing exciting on offense?
Funny thing but Russian fans obviously dig Blatt more and put him over Messina.
Pohani komarac, thanks a lot to explaining the obvious to our friend. Actually, if we look into recent history, we will realize the "Yugo" players that came through Maccabi's hands. Curcic, Vujcic, McDonalds, Udrih, Sundov, Jeretin, Macvan, Planinic. Let's exclude Ari "Melech Jisrael". 7 players in the last 12 years. Cura and Vujcic have spent multiple seasons in Tel-Aviv. Planinic will probably join their company. The rest was there for just one year.
It is obvious, why Maccabi - and Israeli teams in general - prefer US players and US players often enough prefer Israel. An americanized country, where almost everyone speaks English, the night life never stops, the beach is around the corner. Players, who are young, hungry and athletic, come in and play for little money (often enough) in order to jump start their pro career from there. Yugo players carry heavy buyouts. You get less value for more expenses. The really good Yugo players are demanding a salary Maccabi is not ready to pay and it is glad to substitute them with cheaper but not less effective Americans. Maccabi has its own profile and it has won five European crowns that way, participating in many more finals along the way. There is just a handful of teams who can be mentioned in the same breath as Maccabi in Europe, if it goes about identity and titles.
Israel does also have no Yugo diaspora, like Germany, Scandinavic countries and some more to get their Yugo players from there. Besides, their Yugos are worse than Yugo players in Spain for obvious reasons.
Blatt plays an effective brand of basketball with the means he gets from the club. Of course, many of us have a different opinion on some things going on, whether in a successful or a less successful season. None of us has the inside look. Take Landesberg. We all (well, not maccabeo) know him as a really good scorer from the Israeli league. He didn't shoot in really high percentages. He isn't explicitly fast and he doesn't jump out of the gym. He can do everything but nothing excellent, so the comparison with Pnini is not a valid one. Pnini is a hard defender and a shooter with balls of steel. He does everything that it takes to win a game for his team. Even unfair methods, unfortunately. Landesberg has never been at this stage. We all have seen struggling on defense in the EL and being too silent on offense, adjusting to his role. He is being brought up to the center stage slowly but surely. Maccabi counts on him for the years to come. Right now, you let him play and you don't rech Top 16. You are like Chalon or Prokom with their American ballers. They are good but not good enough. Everything needs time. Before Hickman was able to come to Maccabi, he had to go through a period of playing for mediocre teams but he grew as a player. He wasn't just the leader of the worst team in the league. Actually, Landesberg has currently displaced Pnini and is getting Guy's playing time.
"Basketball of the 70ies, not taking enough threes" - I have already proven with numbers, where Maccabi ranks in that category in three years under Blatt. One of the top defensive, top scoring, top EFF teams that doesn't attempt many threes but makes a good number of them while making more damage inside. If it would be like maccabeo is constantly telling, MTA would shoot bad percentages from the floor since they don't shoot threes and the lane is closed. The FG/3PT ratio of Maccabi s very common and normal in the EL. But if someone wants to believe what he has made up, he is welcome to do so. Good way to entartain other IBN posters.
Finally, I doubt that another guard will be added. The management sees the limit of this team (no championship aspirations) and thus doesn'T want to invest more money. They are probably counting on Landesberg cracking the guard rotation on constant basis and thus having four guards (plus Roth). too bad because Hickman, Logan and Landesberg are no PGs. They can maintain the ball but they can't initiate plays for their team. I also hope for Smith's outside shooting to come back (and Pnini to come back, too) because otherwise there is zero real three-point threat from the wing.
burnstein
messina..i think is a great coach. yes defensive coach as blatt but with two qualities unknown to blatt:Ahaha! Messina, the guy who fails miserably without superstars, whose teams were always considered to be playing boring basketball, concerete defense but nothing exciting on offense?
Funny thing but Russian fans obviously dig Blatt more and put him over Messina.
Pohani komarac, thanks a lot to explaining the obvious to our friend. Actually, if we look into recent history, we will realize the "Yugo" players that came through Maccabi's hands. Curcic, Vujcic, McDonalds
It is obvious, why Maccabi - and Israeli teams in general - prefer US players and US players often enough prefer Israel. An americanized country, where almost everyone speaks English, the night life never stops, the beach is around the corner. Players, who are young, hungry and athletic, come in and play for little money (often enough) in order to jump start their pro career from there. Yugo players carry heavy buyouts. You get less value for more expenses. The really good Yugo players are demanding a salary Maccabi is not ready to pay and it is glad to substitute them with cheaper but not less effective Americans. Maccabi has its own profile and it has won five European crowns that way, participating in many more finals along the way. There is just a handful of teams who can be mentioned in the same breath as Maccabi in Europe, if it goes about identity and titles.
Israel does also have no Yugo diaspora, like Germany, Scandinavic countries and some more to get their Yugo players from there. Besides, their Yugos are worse than Yugo players in Spain for obvious reasons.
Blatt plays an effective brand of basketball with the means he gets from the club. Of course, many of us have a different opinion on some things going on, whether in a successful or a less successful season. None of us has the inside look. Take Landesberg. We all (well, not maccabeo) know him as a really good scorer from the Israeli league. He didn't shoot in really high percentages. He isn't explicitly fast and he doesn't jump out of the gym. He can do everything but nothing excellent, so the comparison with Pnini is not a valid one. Pnini is a hard defender and a shooter with balls of steel. He does everything that it takes to win a game for his team. Even unfair methods, unfortunately. Landesberg has never been at this stage. We all have seen struggling on defense in the EL and being too silent on offense, adjusting to his role. He is being brought up to the center stage slowly but surely. Maccabi counts on him for the years to come. Right now, you let him play and you don't rech Top 16. You are like Chalon or Prokom with their American ballers. They are good but not good enough. Everything needs time. Before Hickman was able to come to Maccabi, he had to go through a period of playing for mediocre teams but he grew as a player. He wasn't just the leader of the worst team in the league. Actually, Landesberg has currently displaced Pnini and is getting Guy's playing time.
"Basketball of the 70ies, not taking enough threes" - I have already proven with numbers, where Maccabi ranks in that category in three years under Blatt. One of the top defensive, top scoring, top EFF teams that doesn't attempt many threes but makes a good number of them while making more damage inside. If it would be like maccabeo is constantly telling, MTA would shoot bad percentages from the floor since they don't shoot threes and the lane is closed. The FG/3PT ratio of Maccabi s very common and normal in the EL. But if someone wants to believe what he has made up, he is welcome to do so. Good way to entartain other IBN posters.
Finally, I doubt that another guard will be added. The management sees the limit of this team (no championship aspirations) and thus doesn'T want to invest more money. They are probably counting on Landesberg cracking the guard rotation on constant basis and thus having four guards (plus Roth). too bad because Hickman, Logan and Landesberg are no PGs. They can maintain the ball but they can't initiate plays for their team. I also hope for Smith's outside shooting to come back (and Pnini to come back, too) because otherwise there is zero real three-point threat from the wing.
1 messina is a coach who well spend the budget's team. in his history even when he started in italy. blatt ,who surely has a lower budget to spend, fail many many market oprions. with same budget messina never added ohayon, hendrix, burstein, logan etc etc..
2 messina offensive basket absolutey includes paint and arch ,not just paint
plus, i'm not dreaming exciting bbal or showtime ,i like a bball that includes variety of options. that means for me to play a modern bball.
who decided to built a team with so few shooters? every eu team has players who are all able to shoot from the arch. not mta.
u wrote about our 7 players in 12 years. do u want i calculate how many palyers played every year in each euroleague's team roster?
no eur team would give a pf like ely so much minutes. is there any coach who woudl prefere ely to macvan? we have the lonely who prefere the israeli. is there any eu coach who would play with ohayon as the main organizer of the team ?a player with no talent , no penetration and shooting power?
eu teams all include pf who are able to play perimetral basket. the truth is that blatt see a totally diff basket than eu coaches. he would probably be a good coach for the states and for il league but not here.
i want to see teams who play inside and ootside bball not simply inside. if u dont see it ,well i cant convince u about it.
u are right yugo players are more expensive if already considered strong players. but i'm dreaming of young yugo. we dont add americans who are already stars. so , if i m in need to bet, i bet on an ex yu player, not always on usa player.i cant win so, i prefere builting a young team who can win later.
not so much else, we see bball game from totally different points of view.
in short we like diff kind of basket. i guess u like nba , i dont even if nba is playing a little bit more a european bblall actually.
Last edited by maccabeo; 01-14-2013 at 11:10 AM.
next mta coach>?
from euroleague fans mail
Hi David, this is Mauro a Maccabi fan from Italy. Our playing style on offense is usually to run the floor and try to play in the paint but basketball is becoming perimeter-oriented. Teams look to shoot as many three-point shots as they can, moving the ball to create wide open shots. Is there a special reason why you don't like this kind of offensive option? Thanks and good luck!
Mauro – Italy
"I think that if you want to shoot the three a lot, you have to have a lot of three-point shooters, Siena being a great example this year. We shoot less threes because we are not blessed with so many three-point shooters like Siena or maybe like some teams that we had in the past. Obviously, when we had David Blu here, we shot more threes and were very successful in spreading the floor because of him, which also helped our inside game. In fact, I would agree that the European game has become much more perimeter-oriented than it was in the past."
well, how easy it would be to reply blatt. first of all: who choose players on market? there is not a market's curse who avoid us adding shooters!
also, even with blu we were last team as three points attempts.
also, we are lonely teams that doesnt play with pf able to shoot
blatt si simply going in the opposite way considering where bball style is going.
Disappointing that the question didn't include the phrase "70s basket" !!
But you're right that his reply makes it sound like the roster put itself together.
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