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Never said it was a conspiracy, just a really bad missed call that was far worse than the others. The others were arguable.Originally Posted by Lietuvis
Each call is arguable and the closer it gets to the end only appears worse. But refs typically make up for bad calls they make earlier to try even things out. Like I said the game could have been blown out by 12-15 but bad calls for us made it a thriller so enjoy it at the end of the day!
With Ilgauskas LTU would have a centre with Siskauskas we would have a consistent scorere.. What if , But , Maybe..DId it happen
I agree he wasn't the leader in the locker room and in huddles, but by 2004 Piculin had slowed down, and by then it was Arroyo who was the leader when on the floor, for better or worst. Worst because as you say, he can't do it himself on the world stage.
I think that refs were at least more or less consistently bad for both teams.
in Greece-Nigeria and Macedonia-DR games the refs werre also pretty bad but it lacked consistency as a result it seemed like they were favoring one team more than the other.
So in a way in reffing probably most important is consistency - if you are bad then be consistently bad for both teams rather than being bad for one and half-bad for another. This is what gives birth to all those conspiracy theories about FIBA punishing Euro's etc. Though for me it seems like just a simple lack of quality rather than anything else.
Sure with Carmelo PR murders lots of teams, but Carmelo made his choice as do lots of guys who have that opportunity to chose between 2 national teams. Barea is used to having Dirk and Kevin Love around to take those big shots in crunch time. Santiago and Peavy are not Dirk and Love.
I love when Greece and FYROM are complaining about the horrible reffing that cost them the Olympics, it's "shut up and stop complaining", "you didn't lose because of the refs", etc. but in much worse language than that.
Puerto Ricans were among the most vocal to tell Greeks to shut up and that they didn't lose because of the refs (even though they did)............
Does not feel so good does it Puerto Rico when it happens to you?
Talk about a bunch of hypocrites.
Last edited by Olympiacos; 07-07-2012 at 02:55 AM.
That's BS. The bad calls were against both teams, not just Lietuvis.
Anthony doesnt play for us, and considering how bad Lithuania played this game, we managed to "out suck" you in the last minute. Arroyo and Barea dont work together, the team commits a lot of fouls, and when we tied Greece and Lithuania in the second half, we decided to turn the ball over or miss stupid shots on consecutive possesions because apparently taking the late lead against an european team was too big for this team.
Stop being butthurt about it, Im not complaining about the refs, Im complaining about our players choking.
Waneko wasnt one of the guys that was "oh stop complaining greeks" and stuff.
Yes I know Melo does not play for PR bro. I was throwing out a hypothetical. I'm not Lithuanian. I'm an American from NYC. I have love for PR. I still think you are under cutting how good this PR team is. Not perfect BUT a great team. I think the Americanos have become a lot closer to Europe. I also think you are over ranking Lietuva. Did you not see how Arroyo and Barea shreded the European defense?? Also it seems many Euro squads can't handle Americano defense. If a team attacks the passing lanes it slows down Euro offense tremendously. USA, Brazil, PR, DR, all do this very well. Argentina not so much. Also all the Americano teams have point guards who can penetrate ANY defense. Manu, Barbosa, Barea, Arroyo. PR made mistakes but you should be proud. I am and I'm not Puerto Rican. I'm happy for basketball.
Last edited by Raze Lupin; 07-07-2012 at 03:17 AM. Reason: I'm illiterate
Well, both teams played slow and intense basketball. It was nerve-wrecking. The referees were okay today - sure, they made a few bad calls against both teams, but overall, both teams had chances to change momentum. Puerto Rico could've, but didn't. Both teams looked a little tired, but Lithuania had more stamina at the end. Maciulis was a beast at rebounding / drawing fouls, but his FT shooting was terrible. Javtokas also tipped the rebounds towards his teammates well. Just for this amazing rebounding effort leading to second chance opportunities and tight defense we deserved the win. Consolations to Puerto Ricans! They are a good team in my opinion, but they lacked strength and speed to play well tonight. I hope we win our next game against Dominican Republic, which DESTROYED Macedonia on offensive rebounding.
GO LITHUANIA!
Yeah Im not compleetly ballbusted about how we play, its just taht we fail to even come up with an easy gamewinner (if we even manage to not turn the ball over). And this chokejobs are not being seen just with this basketball team, but on other puerto rican sports as well.
Did you get to see the chokejob our national team pulled against the US in the 2009 World Baseball Classic when we blew a two run lead in the last inning? And that came two games after we koed the US 11-1.
Our teams are lately doing this a lot to us, and we are getting angrier by the year.
WORD! Good point. If Barea makes that same lob to Dirk, Love or Melo its game over! It was still a bad play in this instance but you have a valid point. PR should be proud Europe is no longer clearly superior to the FIBA Americas.
Yes I remember that game. I wish the Olympics had 16 teams because PR, DR and Venezuela deserve better shots.
DR's the one that deserves to be in the Olympics, PR and Venezuela brought shame to Fiba Americas.
Especially PR.
YEAH!!PR lost and is out of Olympics as 2008!!!
Do you remember that game in Athens,right?
Im afraid that was Daniel Santiago last game with Puerto Rico NT
Arroyo explained to the press that the Barea turnover was a play for Peavy and Barea but Peavy froze on the play and Barea had to improvise.
We missed the Olympics, some may blame the coach and shit like that but we really should be proud and happy of what they did and be opptimistic for things to come. Of course we could improve in some areas, but still it's better than the disaster we had in 2010.
I have just read that Saras took the game on his hands during last minute. I cannot express my respect for this player. I think it's in Top 3 of lithuanian basketball along with... You know the other two..
PR should stop complaining about refs. Lithuania deserve to win because Venezuelans made it harder for Lithuania. They demaged our bus, so our team came 20 minutes later. And when they came, they didn't find their water. And when lithuanians were singing the national anthem, everyone were whistling and it was hard to hear the national anthem. And Venezuelans says that lithuanians showed disrespect to Venezuela because of timeout, but what about all that shit you did to us?? Is that very respectful?I don't know what else they are going to do when we will be playing with Dominican Republic. I hope Lithuania is going to win again and then they can finally go home.
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