Best Filipino bigmen outside the PBA
1. Greg Slaughter C 7'0- I will rank Greg over Junmar due to Greg's international competition experience, but Fajardo's ceiling is higher than him.
2. Junmar Fajardo C/PF 6'10- Looking at his game in the last Collegiate university championship against san beda and SSC, it's no wonder he will dominate the Philippine center position for a decade.
3. Ian Sangalang C/PF 6'7- Best Big man in the NCAA, runs like a deer, very skilled and decent athlete. A 6'7 Wang ZhiZhi?
4. Arnold Van Opstal C/PF 6'9- Athletic power forward who runs the floor very well, Taller version of Erik Menk?
5. Raymond Almazan C 6'7- Tremendous length, wingspan could be close to 6'11 to 7'0, lack of strength will be an issue but athleticism makes up for it.
Considerations
Norbert Torres C 6'6
Yousef Taha C 6'7
JP Erram C/PF 6'7
Note: Rankings are based on current performance of these players not on potential or upside.
Where's 6'11 Jericho De Guzman, 6'10 Gian Chiu and 6'8 Eric Suguitan ????
All of them had played in the D-League.
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They may be bigmen outside of the PBA but they are most certainly not the best. Heck, they're not even good in the first place. Among the list the thread starter created, Ian Sanggalang is the best for me, at least right now.Originally Posted by ariel_muhlach
I think you got confused. When one says ceiling, it means height. Since Greg is taller than Junmar, Sergeant Slaughter has a higher ceiling than the Kraken. But, yes, Junmar is indeed more skilled than Greg, most especially when it comes to rebounding.
Sorry lovejones, i have to agree with the thread starter here. "Ceiling" means max potential and not just height.
Semantics aside, it's pretty much a good list owing to the fact that we don't have much of a supply of good big men in this country. It's not a pretty list (half of which i feel will be major busts when all is said and done) but hey at least we have some potentially good players to tap in the future...
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ceiling in basketball terms means potential
I've never been impressed with Greg. I always find him soft and clumsy. Slow footwork and lacks quickness.
Junmar also lacks quickness but has nice footwork and plays with intensity
Van Opstal has been a dissapointment. He did get taller and stronger, but skill level did not improve at all. He has above average quickness and athleticism, but still doesn't know how to use it.
Almazan is impressive. Good defensive instincts and has good motor. Can be a Pingris type player in the future.
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Thanks for the heads up guys. i didn't know ceiling referred to that
You mean a taller Ferdinand. He is a bit of a disappointment. Relies more on his athleticism to do the work. Timing is off. And lacks the fundamentals to be a big man. He has 3 playing years left to improve though.
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On Greg and Junmar, I don't really care who is better. What I care about is them getting better. They're not yet the players that we envision them to be and IMO both have the high enough ceiling (actually, my definition of ceiling is the same as lovejones. Haha but I'll be using everybody's meaning of ceiling).
But as I watched Slaughter vs NU, which has the big guys that can contain him, he has that Tim Duncan in him. He won't wow you with his moves but effective. Though the trademark Tim-dumentals (I made this up HAHA) is obviously not there. A Tim Duncan-type player? I'd be contented with that for Greg Slaughter.
IMO Fajardo has not yet exposed what he can really do with better competition. Yes, we have seen his moves in the PCCL, seen him hold his own in the ABL. But to say that he can 'dominate' in his position? I can't really say it yet. But you got to love how he plays his position.
Sangalang can be our ideal 4 in the future. Discussed him in another thread already.
I still believe in AVO. Hahaha similar to the Aguilar issue. Discussed, and argued, in another thread too.
IMO, Torres >>>>> Almazan. Haha two were also discussed in another thread. But I'll repeat this one: Almazan is like a poor man's Aldrech Ramos.
Taha will be a good 4/5 in the PBA if he ever gets drafted.
Erram? A taller Nonoy Baclao IMO. But I have to admit and believe that he hasn't shown anyone what he can really do because ADMU hasn't really given him a chance to play big minutes (yet. How many years has he still got?). But if he really plays like that, then I stand to my 2nd statement in this sentence.
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lmao. a taler version of Eric Menk? LOL.. not even close.. Menk is a double double machine even during his PBL days with tanduay.
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Arguments aside, we haven't had very mobile and average athleticism with our bigs in the past decade. If you'll look at our bigs from the past erik menk, taulava, ildefonso, thoss, kerby, pennissi, they lack speed, length. These up and coming bigs are legit 6'7 and above, except for Junmar and Greg, they'll play the 4 spot in fiba asia. Our future bigs are very promising and I really believe we have a what it takes to qualify to the world cup and olympics.
Quite the opposite. Nobody from this group has shown they have the potential to be dominating at the pro level (EVEN Fajardo and Slaugther), what more in international ball? As mentioned, the list is full of potential busts rather than potential stars so i guess we'll just have to see.
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Aside from putbacks, Almazan doesn't really have any offensive moves. He needs to bulk up to avoid being pushed around in the paint. Anyway what's the latest on him? I haven't seen him playing a lot lately. Is he injured or something?
How to rank the Fil-Fors?
I think Standhardinger is the best from the list below.
Christian Standhardinger - 6'8
Moala Tuataa - 6'7
Isaac Holstein - 6'9
Maika Usita - 6'8
Aaron Rodenas - 6'9
http://www.fairfaxstars.org/player_p...?player_id=333
John Santos Casper - 6'8
http://www.facebook.com/johnsantos.casper
Chris Blake - 6'7
http://www.goairforcefalcons.com/spo...e_chris00.html
Richard Smith - 6'7
http://athletics.georgefox.edu/sport...11/bios/smithr
Brian Organ - 6'7
http://www.barstow.edu/athletics/mba...ster.asp#mbb12
http://www.desertdispatch.com/articl...rt-valley.html
Brian Organ was discussed somewhere else in this forum. Trained with DLSU but is back in the States now.
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Van Opstal's shots are so easy to block. He moves very well and has to capitalize on it. Hope he improves next season specially with Limpot guiding him.
Almazan improved a lot compared last season. Judging from his performance during the off season tourneys and the few games played in NCAA season 88. Question is, where is he now? according to some Letran alumni/students, he is not attending the Knights' practices after being under the weather for a few days. He wasn't communicating to his teammates and some team officials. An attitude problem perhaps. Hope he realizes this since he has a promising future in Phil Basketball.
let's hope Almazan is merely sick and would not follow the footsteps of former UE Warrior Ken Acibar who listened to irresponsible people that he could already earn big by entering the PBA Draft. If its true that he is not attending practices and is not because he is under the weather ..... I would not be surprised we'll see his name in the coming PBA Rookie Draft. Since Raymond's Birthday is August 2, 1989, he will already pass the PBA age limit of 23. There are a number of player agents who are convincing certain players to skip school and just play-for-pay at the D-League then to the PBA even though said players are not that ripe yet for the big leagues.
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He is regressing in the UAAP. Please pit him against someone HIS size! Frankly Asi is still the best big man in the Philippines. Best outside of the PBA is Junmar.
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Marlou Aquino and the dying art of the kilikili shot
Jaemark Tordecilla · Wednesday, July 25, 2012 · 11:51 am
Grantland editor Rafe Bartholomew, author of the seminal book on Philippine basketball Pacific Rims and occasional contributor to InterAKTV, wrote about the recent PLDT All-Star Basketball Challenge. Like most of his pieces on the Philippines, the whole article is a must-read.
While other mainstream American outlets have picked up on the game that saw Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, and co. go up against legends from PBA’s yesteryears, only Bartholomew has the familiarity to tackle the minutiae of basketball in the Philippines. Our favorite part is when he takes a whole paragraph to introduce to Grantland’s American audience the wonders of the kilikili shot.
Then, late in the first, there is one actually wonderful basketball moment, when Marlou Aquino executes a perfect kilikili shot. What in the world is that? Kilikili means “armpit” in Tagalog, and the kilikili shot is a post move indigenous to Philippine basketball. With his back to the basket, Aquino twisted his torso to face the hoop without pivoting and squaring his feet, then extended his arm underneath the armpit of his defender and flipped in a bank shot. It’s an extremely awkward shot that creates contact, often draws fouls, and takes advantage of the fundamental post defensive technique of standing straight with your arms up to contest a shot. Instead of shooting over those arms, the offensive player scoops the ball up under them. Aquino was probably the last prominent big man to master the shot, which has fallen out of fashion in the PBA, although it’s still a common move in pickup and playground basketball throughout the Philippines. It’s not that effective against Filipino defenders, who are used to guarding it, but against Americans, it often leaves players with a sour look on their faces, as if to say, “What the hell was that?” Which seems to be what Chris Campbell, the victim of Aquino’s kilikili shot, expressed right after it passed through the hoop, when he looked at his teammates, shook his head, and shrugged.Read the whole article here.
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