What does the Philippine team need to watch out for (vol III)

[ArAg0n]

Another one with low reading comprhension, i guess No worries i try to understand that you don't understand

Actually, DT, you were right about the last argument that Jamskie threw at you. I think he slipped there.... The thing is, the way you argue is somewhat, I dunno... Streets? You have a sleek ability to point out the errors of your foe, but too careful not to make any mistakes. Dodging would be the term I guess.
Name calling? I'd say reserve that for KOTD and Flip top... Clash head on Man... Stop dodging. No disrespect, you got his numbers. But I admire Jamskie for atleast sticking to the topic... If you're going to pick a fight, atleast do it ala Pacquiao. Peace!

[durden_tyler]

Actually, DT, you were right about the last argument that Jamskie threw at you. I think he slipped there.... The thing is, the way you argue is somewhat, I dunno... Streets? You have a sleek ability to point out the errors of your foe, but too careful not to make any mistakes. Dodging would be the term I guess.
Name calling? I'd say reserve that for KOTD and Flip top... Clash head on Man... Stop dodging. No disrespect, you got his numbers. But I admire Jamskie for atleast sticking to the topic... If you're going to pick a fight, atleast do it ala Pacquiao. Peace!

Technically speaking it was not name calling. i never called Jamskie a girl (i admit, we have no facts to prove that so that's just a possibility at the moment) i just called out his arguments and the redundancy of such as girly and generic-- you know, how your girl friends argue and repeat the same points as if repetition will make it correct.

Streets-- i'd take that as a compliment. When you argue with some close-minded people you do that sometimes just to prove the point. Else, you'll get posters like Jamskie and Alex and some

Going back, he accused me of being inconsistent (foreign vs local coach) when in reality i was just non-committal-- unlike him, i don't immediately bring these international coaches to pedestals and declare them as the saviors of Philippine basketball. i want a fair argument-- and you can't do that comparing national teams thrown in different situations, different eras and different rosters. If Jamskie can make conclusions while comparing apples to oranges... Well then, that's his problem and mistake, not mine.

[toikins]

calling multihephep!!!!


from SBP LTNP:

hey is this a basketball thread??????????

[JAMSKIE]

Reading comprehension for the win.

i said:



Thank you for dredging up a post that proves my point.

And yes i also said:



Again, "possibly" is the keyword. As separate sentences that would mean differently; but you conveniently bolded just one part to prove your point. Tsk tsk. Again, reading comprehension.

Unlike you, i don't jump to conclusions (That foreign coaches are better), unlike you i think both has their own strengths and weaknesses that are thrown in to different situations (locals coaches never played with an import/naturalized player, quality of competition etc etc)

Nice try but thanks for helping me prove my point

"Again, "possibly" is the keyword. As separate sentences that would mean differently; but you conveniently bolded just one part to prove your point."

Ok point taken. I overlooked the word "possibly" & you're right, omitting that word will create a different meaning to a sentence.

Taking it from your sentence: "Do i believe PBA coaches can possibly do better in international competition than their foreign counterparts? i believe so", question is, how possible or how often that a PBA coach will outwit a foreign coach w/ vast international game experience? Maybe 1 in 20 times. Is that a good proposition?

I can also say that China can possibly beat team USA in the current Olympics, as if to say China has a chance of scoring an upset. As the saying goes "bilog ang bola" or "anything can happen". But the question is, what's the probability that China will win over USA? Maybe 1 out of 50? Is that a good proposition?

Toroman's stint w/ Smart Gilas w/c I believe was quite a success, proved that a foreign coach (with vast international game experience) handling team Philippines is the key to success. We had find the right formula for success. I just find it absurd that Mr. MVP abandoned the formula & went back to the old system ( PBA coach handling the nat'l. team) which had failed several times in the past.

Now you would sarcastically tell me: "Eh anong pakialam mo or anong magagawa mo eh si MVP ang sponsor ng nat'l. team. Pera nya yung ginagastos so he can do whatever he wants. MVP won't listen to whatever you would say so manahimik ka na lang & accept reality"

Man, that should not deprive us from reacting negatively or criticizing MVP. Never! The last time I checked, we are in a free country where freedom of expression is a privilege.

For instance if a newspaper columnist criticizes president Noynoy for a certain issue, would that be rational to say to that columnist: "Kahit ano pa ang sabihin mo, hindi naman makikinig si presidente sayo. Kaya manahimik ka na lang. Wake up, face reality & smell the coffee."

Is that how we should treat freedom of expression? Kaya nga tayo susamali sa social networking eh. We are here to express our thoughts & sentiments. Whether people in authority will listen to us or not is beside the point.

[durden_tyler]

"Again, "possibly" is the keyword. As separate sentences that would mean differently; but you conveniently bolded just one part to prove your point."

Ok point taken. I overlooked the word "possibly" & you're right, omitting that word will create a different meaning to a sentence.

Thank you.

Taking it from your sentence: "Do i believe PBA coaches can possibly do better in international competition than their foreign counterparts? i believe so", question is, how possible or how often that a PBA coach will outwit a foreign coach w/ vast international game experience? Maybe 1 in 20 times. Is that a good proposition?

I can also say that China can possibly beat team USA in the current Olympics, as if to say China has a chance of scoring an upset. As the saying goes "bilog ang bola" or "anything can happen". But the question is, what's the probability that China will win over USA? Maybe 1 out of 50? Is that a good proposition?

Unfortunately, your analogies are a bit off again. So let's TRY to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

China beating USA today is practically impossible (at the No Chance in Hell Level) so why compare that with the foreign vs. local coach argument; the last time i looked the difference between those are not of China-US standards? Unless of course you are totally biased so we can't convince you otherwise.

Toroman's stint w/ Smart Gilas w/c I believe was quite a success, proved that a foreign coach (with vast international game experience) handling team Philippines is the key to success. We had find the right formula for success. I just find it absurd that Mr. MVP abandoned the formula & went back to the old system ( PBA coach handling the nat'l. team) which had failed several times in the past.

It was quite a success but if you care to listen to Nardy, "quite a success" won't cut it with MVP. Will going with a local coach please MVP? We don't know as we have to see that yet. Unlike you, others here wait for results before passing judgement?

Now you would sarcastically tell me: "Eh anong pakialam mo or anong magagawa mo eh si MVP ang sponsor ng nat'l. team. Pera nya yung ginagastos so he can do whatever he wants. MVP won't listen to whatever you would say so manahimik ka na lang & accept reality"

Man, that should not deprive us from reacting negatively or criticizing MVP. Never! The last time I checked, we are in a free country where freedom of expression is a privilege.

For instance if a newspaper columnist criticizes president Noynoy for a certain issue, would that be rational to say to that columnist: "Kahit ano pa ang sabihin mo, hindi naman makikinig si presidente sayo. Kaya manahimik ka na lang. Wake up, face reality & smell the coffee."

Is that how we should treat freedom of expression? Kaya nga tayo susamali sa social networking eh. We are here to express our thoughts & sentiments. Whether people in authority will listen to us or not is beside the point.

Don't feel too special, you are not the only one whine and we are all here to whine

[JAMSKIE]

Technically speaking it was not name calling. i never called Jamskie a girl (i admit, we have no facts to prove that so that's just a possibility at the moment) i just called out his arguments and the redundancy of such as girly and generic-- you know, how your girl friends argue and repeat the same points as if repetition will make it correct.

Streets-- i'd take that as a compliment. When you argue with some close-minded people you do that sometimes just to prove the point. Else, you'll get posters like Jamskie and Alex and some

Going back, he accused me of being inconsistent (foreign vs local coach) when in reality i was just non-committal-- unlike him, i don't immediately bring these international coaches to pedestals and declare them as the saviors of Philippine basketball. i want a fair argument-- and you can't do that comparing national teams thrown in different situations, different eras and different rosters. If Jamskie can make conclusions while comparing apples to oranges... Well then, that's his problem and mistake, not mine.

What gives you the right to categorize who's opinions are sensible & who's opinions are non-sense? You talk as if you monopolize rational thinking. Pre, kung ayaw mo sa opinion ng iba, manahimik ka na lang & mind your own. If you find other people's opinion annoying & irritating, do you think they don't find yours irritating & annoying as well? Man, we are tired & sick of your biased & prejudiced opinions regarding the SMC group in which you are very much identified as a die hard fan. Yet we don't react to your posts as much as you sarcastically react to ours.

Notice how many times you had engaged in heated arguments w/ some posters here who felt insulted & irritated w/ your arrogance & sarcasm. Ilang posters na ba ang nakaaway mo dito? Pre, if you can't agree w/ the opinion of others, you can argue w/ them (or us) in a polite way, minus arrogance & sarcasm. Refrain from using profane & insulting words (which you are very good at). In that way, you can earn our respect & we can "co-exist" here in this forum in a harmonious way. Hindi yung nagmumurahan tayo dito & parang "away kalye" (as Aragon described it) ang nangyayari.

[durden_tyler]

What gives you the right to categorize who's opinions are sensible & who's opinions are non-sense? You talk as if you monopolize rational thinking. Pre, kung ayaw mo sa opinion ng iba, manahimik ka na lang & mind your own. If you find other people's opinion annoying & irritating, do you think they don't find yours irritating & annoying as well? Man, we are tired & sick of your biased & prejudiced opinions regarding the SMC group in which you are very much identified as a die hard fan. Yet we don't react to your posts as much as you sarcastically react to ours.

Notice how many times you had engaged in heated arguments w/ some posters here who felt insulted & irritated w/ your arrogance & sarcasm. Ilang posters na ba ang nakaaway mo dito? Pre, if you can't agree w/ the opinion of others, you can argue w/ them (or us) in a polite way, minus arrogance & sarcasm. Refrain from using profane & insulting words (which you are very good at). In that way, you can earn our respect & we can "co-exist" here in this forum in a harmonious way. Hindi yung nagmumurahan tayo dito & parang "away kalye" (as Aragon described it) ang nangyayari.

i can't promise. But as i mentioned many times, stupidity warrants sarcasm most times ESPECIALLY in this forum. As i mentioned, am not here to win friends but win arguments so take it for what it is. If you can't handle the heat, you get out of the kitchen, it is simple as that.

Greatest example would be Nardy-- butted heads with him many times but at the end of the day we respect each other as a poster (to an extent, maybe as a person too since we've known each other bit), we disagreed on a lot of debates in the past, maybe even hate the posts-- but never the poster, never the person.

[Khalid80]

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[interxavierxxx]

What gives you the right to categorize who's opinions are sensible & who's opinions are non-sense? You talk as if you monopolize rational thinking. Pre, kung ayaw mo sa opinion ng iba, manahimik ka na lang & mind your own. If you find other people's opinion annoying & irritating, do you think they don't find yours irritating & annoying as well? Man, we are tired & sick of your biased & prejudiced opinions regarding the SMC group in which you are very much identified as a die hard fan. Yet we don't react to your posts as much as you sarcastically react to ours.

Notice how many times you had engaged in heated arguments w/ some posters here who felt insulted & irritated w/ your arrogance & sarcasm. Ilang posters na ba ang nakaaway mo dito? Pre, if you can't agree w/ the opinion of others, you can argue w/ them (or us) in a polite way, minus arrogance & sarcasm. Refrain from using profane & insulting words (which you are very good at). In that way, you can earn our respect & we can "co-exist" here in this forum in a harmonious way. Hindi yung nagmumurahan tayo dito & parang "away kalye" (as Aragon described it) ang nangyayari.

I'm one of those posters.

[durden_tyler]

I'm one of those posters.

[Brown Bones]

OFF TOPIC:

Your favorite player Chris Tiu just applied for the PBA draft

[kerouac82]

OFF TOPIC:

Your favorite player Chris Tiu just applied for the PBA draft

I thought it was Emman Monfort?

[durden_tyler]

OFF TOPIC:

Your favorite player Chris Tiu just applied for the PBA draft

Nah. Unless SMB picks him.

On a more serious note, go to the draft thread so you'd see how people value Tiu.

[durden_tyler]

I thought it was Emman Monfort?

Good point. Now i am confused.

[montam26]

Come on guys! Let's not get into any more name calling and personal accusations. Instead of getting back at each other you should either ignore the other person or simply report the posts which are offensive and the Moderators will take the required actions necessary.

Any more personal insults and bashing will lead to bans being given out.

Here's a reminder of the forum guidelines which I hope you will abide by.

Amen to that brotha!

We come to sites like these to find insights about our common love: Philippine Basketball.
Please everyone, stop acting like trolls and focus on the topic at hand.
Common Courtesy Ladies and Gentlemen.

[eindhow]

Watching Tunisia in the Olympics, they really play like Iran.

[TrueBluePinoy]

Any more OT will have comments deleted and users banned. This is will be the final reminder.

[mangangalakal]

Meanwhile (hehehehe)

U-18 Korean junior national team - Aug 4, 2012

Posted by Seo Junghwan

Korean basketball Association announced U-18 National team members. This team includes the only senior national member Lee Jong-hyun.
Guard Heo Hoon is the second son of Heo Jae who was the legend of Korean basketball.

U-18 team will go to Asian Basketball Championship two weeks later in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia

U-18 Korean junior national team

Guards

Chun Gi-bum (187cm)
Choi Sung-mo (188cm)
Heo Hoon (180cm) -> Hur Jae's son & Korean Phenom

Forwards

Choi Jun-yong (202cm)
Choi Seung-wuk (197cm)
Kim Seung-Jun (195cm)
Jung Hee-won (193cm)
Kang Sang-jae (201cm)

Centers

Lee Jong-hyun (206cm)
Park In-tae (204cm)
Kim Min-gi (200cm)
Kim Jin-yong (200cm)

Quite a tall team. Hope they aren't that good yet. Park Intae destroyed us last FIBA-U16 though. No one in our U-16 team can match up with the guy.

[mangangalakal]

and while we are in the final days of the veeryyy loong PBA season, and in the thick of the collegiate season, our friendly neighbors are toughing it out against (the weaker) European teams.

Norway - Jordan 83:62

Norway opened win count at the international tournament in Cyprus. They overcame Jordan for 1-1 record. Stian Mjos (182-PG-89) knocked down 17 points to lead the Scandinavian team. Jordan fell at 0-2 record after the defeat.
Norway held the Asian team to 12 points in the first stanza to take a 6-point lead. Norway stretched the gap to 9 points at the interval 38:29. Norway boosted the gap in the third term. The Europeans extended the margin to 16 points before the fourth frame. Norway did not slow down in the final stanza and rolled to a comfortable win at the end. Roy Nwachukwu (196-F-90, college: Seminole St.CC) netted 14 points, while Thomas Mjos (181-PG-90) 13 points in the victory. Ahmed Al-Hamarsheh (200-F-86) netted 12 points for Jordan. Mohammad Shaher (210-C-90) posted 11 points and 12 rebounds in the loss.

Norway: Stian Mjos 17, Roy Nwachukwu 14, Thomas Mjos 13
Jordan: Ahmed Al-Hamarsheh 12, Mohammad Shaher 11+12 boards

Finland - Iran 80:51

Finland registered the first win at the Adidas Istanbul Cup tournament. They overcame Iran in the consolation final. Tuukka Kotti (205-F/C-81, college: Providence) scored 14 points and grabbed 11 rebounds for the winners.
Finland jumped to an early lead. They accumulated a 21:13 lead at the first intermission. Finland went on a 24:7 run in the second frame. They built a 45:20 halftime lead. The European team stretched the lead in the third quarter. They accumulated a 35-point lead heading into the fourth frame. Iran cut the deficit in the final stanza but suffered a heavy loss at the end. Mikko Koivisto (194-G-87, college: NC-Greensboro) topscored with 18 points for Finland. Shawn Huff (198-G/F-84, college: Valparaiso) added 12 points for the winning side. Mohammad Jamshidi (197-SF-91) responded with 16 points for Iran. Farid Aslani (183-PG-88) chipped in 9 points in the loss.

Finland: Mikko Koivisto 18, Tuukka Kotti 14+11 boards, Shawn Huff 12
Iran: Mohammad Jamshidi 16, Farid Aslani 9

[JAMSKIE]

and while we are in the final days of the veeryyy loong PBA season, and in the thick of the collegiate season, our friendly neighbors are toughing it out against (the weaker) European teams.

Norway - Jordan 83:62

Norway opened win count at the international tournament in Cyprus. They overcame Jordan for 1-1 record. Stian Mjos (182-PG-89) knocked down 17 points to lead the Scandinavian team. Jordan fell at 0-2 record after the defeat.
Norway held the Asian team to 12 points in the first stanza to take a 6-point lead. Norway stretched the gap to 9 points at the interval 38:29. Norway boosted the gap in the third term. The Europeans extended the margin to 16 points before the fourth frame. Norway did not slow down in the final stanza and rolled to a comfortable win at the end. Roy Nwachukwu (196-F-90, college: Seminole St.CC) netted 14 points, while Thomas Mjos (181-PG-90) 13 points in the victory. Ahmed Al-Hamarsheh (200-F-86) netted 12 points for Jordan. Mohammad Shaher (210-C-90) posted 11 points and 12 rebounds in the loss.

Norway: Stian Mjos 17, Roy Nwachukwu 14, Thomas Mjos 13
Jordan: Ahmed Al-Hamarsheh 12, Mohammad Shaher 11+12 boards

Finland - Iran 80:51

Finland registered the first win at the Adidas Istanbul Cup tournament. They overcame Iran in the consolation final. Tuukka Kotti (205-F/C-81, college: Providence) scored 14 points and grabbed 11 rebounds for the winners.
Finland jumped to an early lead. They accumulated a 21:13 lead at the first intermission. Finland went on a 24:7 run in the second frame. They built a 45:20 halftime lead. The European team stretched the lead in the third quarter. They accumulated a 35-point lead heading into the fourth frame. Iran cut the deficit in the final stanza but suffered a heavy loss at the end. Mikko Koivisto (194-G-87, college: NC-Greensboro) topscored with 18 points for Finland. Shawn Huff (198-G/F-84, college: Valparaiso) added 12 points for the winning side. Mohammad Jamshidi (197-SF-91) responded with 16 points for Iran. Farid Aslani (183-PG-88) chipped in 9 points in the loss.

Finland: Mikko Koivisto 18, Tuukka Kotti 14+11 boards, Shawn Huff 12
Iran: Mohammad Jamshidi 16, Farid Aslani 9

"and while we are in the final days of the veeryyy loong PBA season, and in the thick of the collegiate season, our friendly neighbors are toughing it out against (the weaker) European teams."

I like your point sir.

Yes, your exactly right. While our pro league has yet to play it's final game of the season, the pro leagues of our Asian neighbors had ended several months ago. Therefore their respective national team has been playing in international competitions (or tune-up games) since as early as June. Eh yung Gilas-2 national team natin has yet to play in a competitive international tournament (unless of course if we are that foolish to think that the SEABA tournament last July was a competitive tournament to start with). I think that's the downside of having an extremely long PBA season. Our national team will have limited time to train as a unit.

It was a good opportunity playing against lesser caliber European teams where our Nat'l. team can really compete. As the results you showed, even lesser hyped European teams were too much for the Nat'l. teams of Iran & Jordan. But I understand Iran & Jordan are missing their key players in this tournament.