Why Kemzura should be replaced
I think we should dedicade this thread to Kemzura's issue (and potential future coach) as it obviously the hottest topic after the loss in the 4final of Olympics. There will be a lot of chat about it anyway.
These are the main reasons why Kemzura must go:
1. Underachievement in Olympics. I hate those conformists who say that it's a normal result for Lithuania (Jovaiša). And I agree with those who think it's a bad result (Pačėsas, Kvederavičius, Maskoliūnas, Sakalauskas, Kurtinaitis). We were lacking Javtokas, but we had enough good players in all positions and many players were simply unused. That is specially said about Valančiūnas, Mačiulis, Jankūnas and Seibutis. More about this listen to Pačėsas comment (link a little bit later) that I partly agree with. To put it short, there's no 1 strong reason to say why suddenly it's good for Lithuania to finish somewhere between 5-8 in Olympics. For example 2008 team was missing Macijauskas, Songaila and D. Lavrinovic was partly injured. This year we basically had the best roster at the given day and we had the worst record of Olympics.
2. Underachievement in Eurobasket Lithuania. Some officials trying to cover all their work, said that it's OK, but that was obvious underachievement for hosts.
3. Despite these bad results, even worse thing is that Lithuania is playing very dull, raw and inconsistent basketball in last two most important tournaments. The general level is way down that it used to be. For example we struggled in 2006 and 2009 and it had beend said. Now appearently some people are getting used to such level, trying to act like it should be.
4. Kemzura has complicated relations with Motiejūnas and Gecevičius. A lot of people agree that these players should play a big part of Lithuania's future. Kemzura doesn't know how to use Gecevičius and we obviously need better presence from downtown just like we always was.
5. Songaila retired and he was the main player of Kemzura's frontline. Jasikevičius is most likely retiring also. We need to start new cycle of olympics. New coach that wouldn't have the weight of 2011 and 2012 failures should be hired.
After the day he will (if) retire - I'll say all good things that i saw in Kemzura durring these 3 years. Now I'm only saying why he should go.
Who would replace him? My choice would be:
1. Kurtinaitis.
2. Kazlauskas.
3. Pačėsas.
4. Big foreign name. Why not? We used to have Nelson in our coaching staff, Lithuanian conservatives wouldn't die with this experiment. But that should be really proven coach.
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,i am going to say that Kemzura is a good coach,and a young one too.
For me this looks simple - he needs to concentrate on his carrier away from NT team.He needs to get more experience,he needs to get smarter,and who knows,in 3 or 5 or even 10 years time he might be back.For good.
I am asking you not to dismiss him so lightly.
Kurtinaitis is an obvious choice .
And please,i beg you,not Pacesas- he is a fraud ).Coaching Polish team and achieving like ,really nothing in Europe.
Kazlauskas is my second choice,but he is wise and probably doesn't need this hustle and attention.
There is no third choice for me,no way.
i just pasted my comments from another thread.
Kemzura's main weakness is that he can't do much when his (first) game plan doesn't work. He usually sticks to it no matter what. Some of his game plans are nearly genius and works out perfectly, but if doesn't - he's in trouble. This tournament that meant crazy rotation, desperate lottery for the best 5, that lead to a lot of mistakes of rotation.Originally Posted by auris1
Second weakness of Kemzura is his poor understannding how to set a quality half court offense. He barely improved here, though some little improvement since 2010 is seen. He put too much on raw athleticism, tough defence and hope for un up tempo game (didn't work in this tournament).
Kemzura is not good in finishing games. He always confused and lost, seems like can't decide who should play till the last seconds durring his timeouts.
And of course his Reactionary Politics. He can't bring any young talent on the table. In 2010 he just picked what he could. In 2011 Valančiūnas got a chance only because Petravičius got injured and so on...
Aother than that, I still believe he has future. And yes, Kurtinaitis would be just best option now, but he openly bashing Balčiūnas so I don't know. The only good thing that Sabas is the president now.
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Thank god it's not up to you who should be our NT coach. Kurtinaitis in first place? Are you kidding me? Like 2009 EB wasn't enough, in which according to people close to NT matters most of the strategy was developed by Kurtinaitis'. And by the way most Rytas' plays when Kurtinaitis was head coach there were developed not by Rimas, but by Kuncaitis.
Pačėsas? Another brilliant idea. It is quite an achievement to win multiple polish championships with a team who's budget is twice as big as the next best team's...
The only lithuanian coach who is better than Kemzura right now is Kazlauskas, but like auris1 said Kemzura needs to gain more everyday's coaching experience...
People don't come with instruction manuals, that's why to figure them out, you have to press their buttons...
Your posts are kinda angry as for "lafa" guySo you're saying we had Kemzura's and Kurtinaitis' talent in current NT staff? Home come the results and the game is so dull?
And again - what kind of scientific research let you know that Kurtinaitis de facto was a head coach of NT 2009 Eurobasket? You have some proves? If so, that means he's responsable for Eurobasket's 2007 bronze and Olympics 2008 semifinals? Would you please figure it out for us.
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I'll reply for this post right here (I hope you don't mind) as it's only Lithuania's issue.I too want to try Kurtinaitis,but some people just forgets some elements and are picturing only white (kurtinaitis) and black (kemuzra).Its just not right....They remember rytas coaching valanciunas,gecevicius,uleb cup.
But how do you think whos idea was to bring mazutis in 2009 to presure the guards? same situation with dainys in rytas team? yeah it was not butuatas idea,but kurtinaitisa.Are you sure kurtinaitis assitanst wont be butautas? they are working alot with each other,rimas went to chimki and give job to butautas in latvia team and so on.Do you want to see Kurtinaitis and butautas duet on our coaching staff again ?
I always felt national team coach shuold stay 3-4 years and then you have change it,because players are not hearing him anymore after some years.I see only 3 candidates 1.Kazlauskas 2.Kurtinatis 3.Leave Kemzura .But most likely Sabas gonna take Kurtis.
I really doubt Kurtinaitis would bring Butautas. IMO, even if he would invite him, he would refuse. He was a head coach few years ago and that would look funny. I think Kurtinaitis undertands that by himself. But it's good question who could be an assistant coaches? I would prefere these guys:
Arvydas Gronskis (Somehow I trust this guy and he already worked with Kurtinaitis. Working in a good team for years)
Arvydas Macijauskas (He was about to start coach career and is studying coaching staff + proper charakter, why not to give a chance? Would teach some things for Gecevičius, Seibutis, Pocius, Dulkys and all other our SGs)
Saulius Štombergas (The same case and has some coaching experience already).
Tomas Pačėsas (I remember Kurtinaitis saying some good words about him. I would like to see him in NT).
And actually you are right - Kurtinaitis showed some signs of trust and distrust for young players, but don't think it's an issue now. The positive thing is - look how Fridzon playing after working with Kurtinaitis? Remember how great Gecevičius looked? What he did from Eidson? The titles? Ability to make rock solid defensive team from average rosters? Unstoppable combination that worked all season long (stolen from Argentina BTW
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No, I'm not saying, that our NT staff is talented. It's ok to win LKL, but not EB or Olympics. Here are my review of our coaching staff:Your posts are kinda angry as for "lafa" guy
And again - what kind of scientific research let you know that Kurtinaitis de facto was a head coach of NT 2009 Eurobasket? You have some proves? If so, that means he's responsable for Eurobasket's 2007 bronze and Olympics 2008 semifinals? Would you please figure it out for us.
Šernius - frankly I don't understand how this guy ended up in basketball considering he used to be a football player. Ok, his father was (maybe still is) a children basketball coach, and my first coach BTW, and he was the worst coach ever. Šernius Sr used to bring Mantas into our trainings, that's how we knew that that day we'd play football.... It's one of those situation where ties and contacts mean everything I guess. Overall - this guy is a joke. Teo/Aistes is a living proof of that.
Kuncaitis - good for LKL assistant coach, maybe head coach in NKL. Too soft on players and doesn't earn respect as a head coach, Krapikas kind of guy.
Kairys - personally know the guy. He wouldn't be where he is right now if not for his father. Stepas was really tough and respected coach with a lot of knowledge of basketball. IMO Donaldas is not even close to his father even though he spend a lot of time with Spurs, CSKA, Khimki, etc. Maybe some day...
I'm kind of surprised to see Chomičius on the bench next to them considering he's not from Šilutė.
People don't come with instruction manuals, that's why to figure them out, you have to press their buttons...
I agree. The results in the last two summers were disappointing. Lithuanian fans are used to better results from Team Lietuva.
Absolutely untrue. In fact, it was just the opposite. Even the eleventh and twelfth players on the bench got meaningful minutes at this tournament. In the past a couple of players barely got any time on the floor at all. I think perhaps some people are complaining because their favourites didn't get more minutes.
That's only because Motiejūnas and Gecevičius were cut by Kemzūra last year. But a coach must end up cutting someone! It's the nastiest most difficult part of his job but it's unavoidable.
Previously I had no opinion on Kurtinaitis but I now strongly disagree that he would be a good national team coach despite his success at the club level.
When it comes to coaching at the club level, motivation skills are important. It's a long season, some games are less important, players may not be putting in a full effort for every game, so it's necessary to keep lighting fires under them. And of course there's no need to worry about bruising their fragile egos because they're under contract and there's nowhere for them to go. But it's very different at the national team level. Players volunteer to give up their summers to win glory for their countries! These players are already highly motivated! Moreover, the tournaments are short. Mental fatigue is not a factor. The effort from the players is there - unless the coach stupidly makes them sulk somehow.
The coaches that are most likely to sap the enthusiasm of the players and make them sulk are the strict disciplinarians. One of the best cases in point is Soviet hockey coach Viktor Tikhonov. With his dictatorial methods, he lead CSKA Moscow and the Soviet national hockey team to enormous successes from 1977 to the early nineties. This worked very well so long as the players were serfs. But beginning in the early nineties, the best Russian players were in the NHL and volunteered to come back and play for mother Russia in international tournaments. When Tikhonov continued to treat them like dirt, they responded by sulking. Net result, Team Russia started losing to inferior teams on paper. The strict disciplinarians almost ruined the Russian national team program in the nineties.
Also, look at Serbia. The country has had tremendous NBA talent in the last ten years but at the national team level the basketball program has sputtered. Why? The problem has been forging teams from collections of individual egos.
What you need at the national team level is a team builder, a coach who best selects from the building blocks available and is then capable of forging these building blocks into a team. He must also be a superb game strategist because tournaments are short and generally teams get no second chance.
So which candidate is the best team builder and game strategist? I'm afraid that as a team builder Kurtunaitis' methods would be all wrong at the national team level. Like I say, the players that come out for the national team don't lack motivation.
Last edited by Hepcat; 08-09-2012 at 04:36 PM.
Kurtinaitis certainly achieved more than Kemzura as basketball copach when he started leading NT. And again in 2009 there were 5 assistant coaches not just Kurtinaitis. Try him as head coach particulalrly when Kurtinaitis is really giving better results than Kemzura ever did in club basketball.
Hepcat remember that Jasikevicius and Songaila are out. Many old guys are out. Kurtinaitis will have huge athority adventage over Kemzura due to his career both as a player and as a coach.
Kleiza will be tough to handle for Kurtinaitis. But frankly if Kleiza plays like he did this summer then maybe we are even better without him. Otherwise we have lots of young players who wont say much agaisnt him. Motiejunas? If Kurtinaitis uses him I think Motiejunas will be fine with strict coach who at least uses him as opposed to a softer coach who doesnt.
Gecevicius would be happy to play under Kurtinaitis again.
Jankunas rarely raises any waves. Javtokas too.
Who else on the upcoming NT to get all sulky against Kurtinaitis?
Last edited by Darknemo2000; 08-09-2012 at 04:48 PM.
By the way, why did Jonas Kazlauskas not continue as a coach after the Eurobasket failure of 2001? What was the rap against Kazlauskas at the time?
Did the Lithuanian basketball federation choose not to renew his contract or did China make him such a good offer that Lithuania just could not compete?
Coaches discuss Olympics:
http://tv.lrytas.lt/?id=13445082211342795530
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Butautas mentioned, that every game aspect he used were discussed and prepared by him and Kurtinaitis. You could clearly see, he had a big impact on 09' team.
Btw, the true question should be why Kemzura shouldnt be replaced?
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Jonas wants Kemzura to coach next year. "I don't sort coaches to good or bad; all of them give something useful to the players. Kemzura gave me a lot. He's a serious coach who's always trying his best."
Don't you think coaches can change? Four years is a long time in basketball.
The "presenter" is a fuckin idiot.
You never imply with your question,let alone state some dubious facts like he did.
Especially when you start - "i am no basketball expert".
Bad journalism from the very beginning.
You do not put statement first on how the team/coach bad was,and ask about opinion later,asshole.
Prejudice ffs.
Anyway,Sakalauskas has said something that i totally agree.
Kemzura could be back,in "3-4 ,or even in 2 years time",no big deal.Maybe he said five.
For me -it is simple - is there a coach who is better than Kemzura for the next 2-3 years?
if they can pen K,kemzura there is burtis or Kazlauskas,then it is all fair and square.
if not...
looking back,the result was not bad,it just it wasn't as good as it used to be.
Nobody is mad at Alekna,right?
He had 2 golds and a bronze before,yet...
So
Well I wouldn't be telling Virgilijus Alekna that he's all washed up and has let Lietuva down because he "only" finished in fourth.
Last edited by Hepcat; 08-13-2012 at 08:07 PM.
plus he has got a gun as well,as a personal security guard to the president
at least he used to be
Why the gun even?
He could throw and kill with a flower vase from miles away)
If federation can get Kazlauskas or Kurtinaitis to coach they should do that.But if Kazlauskas do not agrees and kurtinaitis has bad relations with federation people wont get invite.What next ? Do you see better lithuanian coach outhere than kemzura?
Pacesas? maybe,but he is very tricky or everybody gonna listen to him or he will get to word wars with half of the team...Federation must do what ever they can to bring kazlauskas or kurtinaitis.This 2 are the only one who right now are prepared to be head coaches in my eyes.
Foreigner? i dont like this idea,not because i would some kind nationalist no,i juts dont believe foreigner can understand what national team means for lithaunian people.How can you coach if you dont understand culture of the team ?
There was a talk,or at least my understanding was,that Kemzura was due before b federation right after olympics.
Now the committee will gather late in September.
I would think that during this time there would be imminent talks with candidates for the post ,and depending on the results Kemzura might even get an offer to stay .
From Balčiūnas' opinion, it seems that Kemzūra will retain the head coach position in Lithuanian NT.
http://lzinios.lt/Sportas/Krepsinis/...ntosios-vietos
What is your own opinion on the issue, sashikas?
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