Why do PBA players suck? They can't even make the Olympics. They seem unmotivated.

[PBA]

I've seen some games. They seem slow, unmotivated and out of shape. China can do it, why can't the Filipinos? And why do they do this "tap board" move so much instead of dunking? That always made me laugh. The plays are always awful too. Like no real plays. They miss a lot of shots too. The ball movement is horrible. I was under the assumption that basketball is the number 1 sports in the Philippines, but why do the "pros" suck so bad? It's boring to watch.

[duphaR007]

I don't think these pros are not "unmotivated." What's lacking most of the time is team chemistry. Other countries have a pool or team that has been playing together for years. Solution is really a long term program. Please refer to some threads above. And the tap board or dunk? Well, even if you 360 dunk it or between the legs slam, it's still worth 2 points just like a simple awkward lay up.

[startupsold]

I've seen some games. They seem slow, unmotivated and out of shape. China can do it, why can't the Filipinos? And why do they do this "tap board" move so much instead of dunking? That always made me laugh. The plays are always awful too. Like no real plays. They miss a lot of shots too. The ball movement is horrible. I was under the assumption that basketball is the number 1 sports in the Philippines, but why do the "pros" suck so bad? It's boring to watch.

Your post is very generalized, you haven't given any facts/specifics why they "s**k". You are similar to Skip Bayless pure generalities/fiction no substance. If you don't know who Skip Bayless is, then you are not into basketball at all.

Let me tell you the facts:

asian games
1990 silver medal finish all-PBA team
1994 fourth place finish all-PBA team
1998 bronze medal finish all-PBA team
2002 fourth place finish all-PBA team (buzzer beating loss to korea)

PBA selection teams were not taking part of ABC (fiba-asia) in the 90's not until the formation of SBP, in 2007 fiba-asia we realized we are no longer assured of a top four finish because of the emergence of Iran, Jordan and Lebanon- we finished
9th then, and in 2009 we finished 4th courtesy of Gilas and PBA players. Now you haven't really laid down any facts on your argument, words such as "They seem slow, unmotivated and out of shape". "They miss a lot of shots too. The ball movement is horrible" purely lack substance. Can you send us any links that show they are slow? unmotivated? and out of shape, can you tell us at which position or level (seaba,asian,world) we are slow? can you run us through which plays they ran (PBA players) that you can even say that the ball movement is horrible. whoa! according to alexa this forum is mostly for educated people I guess they were wrong.

[all_about]

Oh Wait.

Include Nate Robinson and Demarcus Cousins in our pool. Javale McGee as our naturalize player and we will be the Fiba Asia Champions next year.

[analyzed]

I'm not justifiying the comments of the thread starter, but to be fair he is referring to play in the PBA not the national team or prospective National team members or Philippine players in general (e.g. McGee, Robinson etc). And to be honest while he can be guilty of generalising there actaully is some truth in his observations. Some times we can be overly defensive, as some comments might hurt but there are times that we should be willing to accept cricticisim. Being objective there definitly areas in a number of PBA players games that require significant improvment and change. These are mostly on the dicipline side of things, e.g. dedication to practice, FT %, shooting. conditioning.

[trig]

I actually agree with him. Just look at our current players. Only a few of them are actually ripped. I wonder what's the average bodyfat % of PBA players. Does our teams here do scientific drills, tracrosstraining, plyometrics etc?

And I also feel like the athleticism improved but the skill level declined. I don't know if this can be proven stat-wise but from what I remember, in the 80's 90's, an open 18footer is money for a lot of players. Guards average 85+ft% and centers at 70+%.

[montam26]

there is a trend here started before (if you wanna back read) titled:
The PBA has Become Boring.
there are interesting insights there too.

[startupsold]

I'm not justifiying the comments of the thread starter, but to be fair he is referring to play in the PBA not the national team or prospective National team members or Philippine players in general (e.g. McGee, Robinson etc). And to be honest while he can be guilty of generalising there actaully is some truth in his observations. Some times we can be overly defensive, as some comments might hurt but there are times that we should be willing to accept cricticisim. Being objective there definitly areas in a number of PBA players games that require significant improvment and change. These are mostly on the dicipline side of things, e.g. dedication to practice, FT %, shooting. conditioning.

I'm sorry if I overreacted, the title just doesn't seem nice and the word "suck" is very inapproriate.

[durden_tyler]

there is a trend here started before (if you wanna back read) titled:
The PBA has Become Boring.
there are interesting insights there too.

The PBA is a Dying League is a good thread too. Or even The PBA is Scripted. That was a box-office thread as well.

However, all these posts are started by then-posters with a grand total of 1 post-- so yeah, realize and look around the "vets" in the forum and you'll realize it's the same guy-- now with an alternick-- starting these threads

Then again, some posters are suckers for such threads so really can't blame them

[epic_dream]

The PBA is a Dying League is a good thread too. Or even The PBA is Scripted. That was a box-office thread as well.

However, all these posts are started by then-posters with a grand total of 1 post-- so yeah, realize and look around the "vets" in the forum and you'll realize it's the same guy-- now with an alternick-- starting these threads

Then again, some posters are suckers for such threads so really can't blame them

analyze?

[Jay P. Mercado]

The PBA is a Dying League is a good thread too. Or even The PBA is Scripted. That was a box-office thread as well.

However, all these posts are started by then-posters with a grand total of 1 post-- so yeah, realize and look around the "vets" in the forum and you'll realize it's the same guy-- now with an alternick-- starting these threads

Then again, some posters are suckers for such threads so really can't blame them

Hard to think of such when we see an increase in the number of advertisers in the PBA coverage as well as the increase in the television ratings by 3 points which was practically unheard of since the Big J left the scene in 1998. And it can only get better as more resources are being allocated to ensure that a better coverage will be done year in and year out to keep the viewers' interest at a high.

Plus the fact that the PBA has a rich tradition. I know of a lot of oldtimers who root for certain teams because it's something they're used to already. Believe it or not, there are many B-Meg fans who became followers of this team because of their affinity with the MICAA's YCO Painters back in the 60's. My uncle roots for the Petron Blaze Boosters because he was always a San Miguel Braves / Brewers fanatic in the MICAA when they still had players like a young Manny Paner, a young Yoyong Martirez, an even younger Ramon Fernandez, among others. Some friends root for Ginebra because they used to cheer for Robert Jaworski and Francis Arnaiz at Meralco, then Komatsu, then Toyota. Don't ask me why...that's just their nature...

[belbod9]

...hahay...nakakawalang gana talaga mga PBA " superstars" kuno! e ayaw mag laro sa national team! NO pride! tignan nyo mga players ng argegentina, spain, brazil, russia at iba pang national teams! Laban para sa bayan...pero sa atin? ano? wala lang ......ayaw sumali baka ma injure pa...sayayng kikitain ! PISKOT!

[Big Ticket]

the lebanese, koreans, japanese and jordanian players suck too, right? they cant even make the olympics!!!!

out of the 300+ countries in the world, only the players from 12 countries did not suck, right thread starter?

and maybe Mr. PBA, you could use your real user name next time?

[Silent Killer]

...hahay...nakakawalang gana talaga mga PBA " superstars" kuno! e ayaw mag laro sa national team! NO pride! tignan nyo mga players ng argegentina, spain, brazil, russia at iba pang national teams! Laban para sa bayan...pero sa atin? ano? wala lang ......ayaw sumali baka ma injure pa...sayayng kikitain ! PISKOT!

in english sir. you're in International forum. whenever you write in tagalog be sure to translate it.

[Silent Killer]

close this F*ckin thread. NON SENSE.

[Brown Bones]

My advice: Then don't watch PBA

Out of shape?

Noli Locsin
Beau Belga

But they can run the floor and good players.

I've seen some games. They seem slow, unmotivated and out of shape. China can do it, why can't the Filipinos? And why do they do this "tap board" move so much instead of dunking? That always made me laugh. The plays are always awful too. Like no real plays. They miss a lot of shots too. The ball movement is horrible. I was under the assumption that basketball is the number 1 sports in the Philippines, but why do the "pros" suck so bad? It's boring to watch.

[jerby]

I have stopped watching PBA when I realized that they have been getting in the way of forming a really formidable PH national cage team. This was further bolstered with the way the PBA teams played against our young NT, they were hurting the kids with no regards for their safety. Furthermore I saw the disparity of basketball system between that of SMART Gilas and that of the NBA aping PBA. This my fellow forum people are just my opinion, like it or not. Let everyone air their opinions..

[shuhuko23]

i have to agree,

PBA is copying the US dream team type of game,..which is no where near in our caliber,..
players are very selfish,..they dont care about the plays, they just want to go back to the court and score a point. and the fans also love it. LOL
we can only pinpoint a true team player,..and most of the time being outshined by a so called superstar (ballhugger).


my only suggestion to PBA is, adopt to FIBA rules,..
and get back to basic (shot open shots, apply team ball, get back to the gym and get that muscles ripped).
and no "palakasan system"

Peace!

[rocketstar47]

Comparing PBA in the late 90's today seems so different!

Commentators are so boring now compared before with the likes of Noli Eala,Ed Picson the only left is Quinito Henson
this three are the best commentators of al time for me.

[odnid]

Think what you can do to your country, not just for yourself and your company..

Why not james yap, pingris, lassiter and lutz are not included in the gilas team 2? because smc didn't allowed them?