height divisions in basketball
Since the Philippines is planning to bid to host the FIBA-world qualifiers for the olympics next year, I was thinking that this might be a good time for the Philippines to hold a parallel world basketball championships simultaneously with a height limit of 6 feet and below. This will settle once and for all who is the best in asia and the world. China is good only because they have 1.3 billion people to choose their good 7 footers, but how will china do against countries with shorter players? this will be the final ultimate test of basketball wizardry as to who are the best basketball players in the world pound for pound , inch for inch. This will also dramatize the need that there needs to be height divisions in basketball: at least 2 height divisions ---> unlimited height division and either 6 feet and below or 6'5" and below.
if boxing has weight divisions, then basketball can also have height divisions . it is commonsense and logical.
Last edited by pachador; 05-24-2007 at 09:50 PM.
Bollocks..Originally Posted by pachador
Bollocks? Care to elaborate on that? I think he made a lot of sense. Or has not wearing anything under your kilt left your brain frozen?
Ok, i will elaborate. That is the biggest load of bollocks i have ever heard..
Ah, an insightful and well-thought out argument. I stand convinced and in awe of your superior reasoning. One by one, you've thoroughly and convincingly shot down each and every point pachador made.
I'm gonna go experiment now and see if eating sheep offal in oatmeal will give debating skills as magnificent as yours.
I don't think it makes much sense, the tendency would be to keep separating (by physical constitution, speed, weight, whatever) to the absurd. And besides, having that separation one would never know who the best in the world would be. The comparison with boxing is not accurate, it's a one-to-one sport and the separation makes sense; it's not applicable to team sports. And how would this be solved: a player from a country playing in the low height division grows beyond the allowed limit, he wouldn't play for his national team?
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See, now THAT's an argument.See how he crafted his reply to refute the previously made points? Much better than comparing it to testicles.
the perpetuation of no height limits in basketball will forever give an inordinate advantage to countries with tall people
where is the fun in a 7'5" guy blocking a lay-up by a 5'8" guy? unless you take sadistic pleasure in that scenario
besides, all i am suggesting is a simple two height divisions not the absurd granularity of numerous height divisions. , and if a player grows some more then he can play in the unlimited height division or not at all. its that simple.
i say, european countries are just scared of being shown who is the best in basketball if there are height limits. phew ! how can someone feel proud winning a bssketball game because you have a 7 foot or 7'5" giant almost covering the backboard and swatting baskets shot by dwarf players?? thats what i call absurd and pathetic.
You know, bottom line height doesn't mean that much. Can you see the Dutch, for instance, being a basketball power?
Countries with height problems just have to solve the problem with new ideas, tactics, training, etc, that's it. Just look at Portugal, the tallest players are 205 cm and still they managed to qualify for this year's Eurobasket for the first time in 50 years.
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WHEN BASKETBALL was introduced in the 1936 Berlin Olympics, there was a proposal to set a height limit for the players (something around 6'5"???) and it was allegedly ratified by all the participating countries.
That boded well for the Philippines, whose tallest player was 6'0" Charles Borck. Suddenly and to all the teams' surprise, the United States shows up with 6'10" giant Joe Fortenberry!
I saw if such a tournament will be held, it must employ strict measuring standards just like the one imposed by the PBA with regards to imports. I believe that is the same system used to ascertain the true heights of applicants in the annual Rookie Draft.
I do not agree with this one. Not putting any restrictions on basketball will force every Country/NT to form its own basketball identity. Each NT will be forced to use what basketball advantage that they have if they wish to be competitive.
China is an Asian powerhouse not only because of their height but also because they have a strong NT program. This is what the Philippines lack. Through the years China has been developing and exploiting their advantage in height. The Philippines however has a lot of very good players but does not have a good NT program. If we could just have a good NT program that could develop the advantage/s that we have then perhaps we too could be an Asian (or maybe even World) powerhouse. I thinks this is what is happening now to our NT. While many dispute the chosen players of Coach Chot, he may be looking for the right combination of players which can maximize our basketball strengths and negate our disadvantages especially with height.
good day!
Nicely put ctongco
Die Liebe wird eine Krankheit, wenn man sie als eine Heilung sieht
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our basketball strength is precarious right now. our center position is anchored on 2 aging guys, pennisi and taulava, who are already in their 30s. without this 2 guys, our shaded area is one big hole. our tall star scorer, Seigle, is also aging. The young center on the horizon currently do not have the heft and strength of Taulava. Japet aguilar, our best young tall player on the horizon is skinny and more suited at the power forward. Concerning Gian Chiu , the verdict is still out because his good performance was in a division 4 high achool. The remaining good centers we have are only 6'5" to 6'7", and no amount of massaging of tactics is going to fix our problem at the center position unless you are just content with placing in the top 12 or top 16 in world basketball
my suggestion for height limits is so that countries with short players will have a good chance of landing in the top 6 or top 8. otherwise, we are going to have to fix our center position either thru naturalizing players or hoping for more tall half-breed players both of which , by the way, are fine by me but really just hides our height shortcomings again.
I broadcasted my stand on height issue because you never know, this might reach the FIBA Gods, and the FIBA basketball officials might one day soften their hearts and agree to at least 2 height divisions. otherwise, we will just keep trying and trying our best as the short team that never gives up. Good luck team philipines !
Last edited by pachador; 05-25-2007 at 11:08 PM.
205cm is 6'9" thats good but you probably have many 6'9" players to choose from. Dont you undestand our tallest good center is an old 6'9" guy named taulavaAt the moment, our other 6'9" players are skinny or soft or slow. or lazy.
doesn't make sense to implement this...
unlike weight in boxing, height in basketball does not ensure a superior edge over an oppenent...
as long as the other team's players still have to jump their way to block a shot or to make a basket, there's still a fighting chance
and... this is the main reason why fiba allows teams to NATURALIZE a player!
Actually no, there aren't that many really. The tallest Portuguese player ever was 207 cm if I'm not mistaken.
But the thing is height does not per se make a good team or good players, there are innumerous examples. In fact there are much more examples of small players succeeding than towering ones.
Die Liebe wird eine Krankheit, wenn man sie als eine Heilung sieht
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i dont know if you guys play regularly against tall players. but if not yet , try guarding a good 6'6" player when your only 5'10" like me, and tell me what you think the result will be ? if you guys really feel that height is not an issue, then why is it that that coach chot reyes does not put short guys like 5'8" jimmy Alapag in the center position ?? and the reason is because height is a big difference more so if the tall player is very good. the issue is obviously tall and hovering over all of us but we just skirting and going around in circles around this tall issue . Thats what does not make real sense.
maybe , i did not make myself clearer. A good tall player will win most of the time over a good short player.
I doubt many countries would be interested in under 6'5 competitions... neither would sponsors or the fans imho.
height isn't everything, I was once covering a 6'9/6'10 =207cm (and actually a rather good player) being 6'2 myself without him scoring on me from the game for the whole first half... got my nose broken in the second half after he dunked on me, true, but height is obviously far from everything.
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