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    Our media is writing that Kuzminskas signed with Unicaja .I think this choose is smart.He do not makes same mistake as Gecevicius and Pocius did,do not go to top8 team and sit on the bench.Even siskauskas started with benneton or jasikevicius with Olimpia or Maciulis to Armani and than you go further form there step by step.But do not make jump like from zalgiris to Real.Kuzminskas has big potentiol,he is fast and very big as SF.One day he can become calibre player like Ylasova.Btw he had no problems playing in nba and he is not any monster athlete.Sometiumes Kuzminskas reminds me even young Kirilenko and he wasnt athlete,he was similiar to kuzminskas long and fast.Kuzminskas definetely could play in nba,nba likes long and fast white men.But better for him is to stay in euroleague i truly belive in that.Nba is big gamble,if you are not PF-C position player that nba misses alot lately,you are making big risk destroy your career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Our media is writing that Kuzminskas signed with Unicaja .I think this choose is smart.He do not makes same mistake as Gecevicius and Pocius did,do not go to top8 team and sit on the bench.Even siskauskas started with benneton or jasikevicius with Olimpia or Maciulis to Armani and than you go further form there step by step.But do not make jump like from zalgiris to Real.Kuzminskas has big potentiol,he is fast and very big as SF.One day he can become calibre player like Ylasova.Btw he had no problems playing in nba and he is not any monster athlete.Sometiumes Kuzminskas reminds me even young Kirilenko and he wasnt athlete,he was similiar to kuzminskas long and fast.Kuzminskas definetely could play in nba,nba likes long and fast white men.But better for him is to stay in euroleague i truly belive in that.Nba is big gamble,if you are not PF-C position player that nba misses alot lately,you are making big risk destroy your career.
    I couldn't help my self to agree with you about the contract and to disagree about Iliasova and young Kirilenko Iliasova is loved by NBA fans exactly because he is TOUGH. The guy can go for beat out with heavy NBA powerforwards. He works in defence very well. So the comparison is rather weak. Kirilenko wasn't athelete? I mean he surely had even better leaping ability and was even more AGILE, better rebounder and WAY, WAY better defender than Kuzminskas. Just saying. Current Kuzminskas might have an advantage in terms of distant shooting compared to young (and probably old) Kirilenko though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Our media is writing that Kuzminskas signed with Unicaja .I think this choose is smart.He do not makes same mistake as Gecevicius and Pocius did,do not go to top8 team and sit on the bench.Even siskauskas started with benneton or jasikevicius with Olimpia or Maciulis to Armani and than you go further form there step by step.But do not make jump like from zalgiris to Real.Kuzminskas has big potentiol,he is fast and very big as SF.One day he can become calibre player like Ylasova.Btw he had no problems playing in nba and he is not any monster athlete.Sometiumes Kuzminskas reminds me even young Kirilenko and he wasnt athlete,he was similiar to kuzminskas long and fast.Kuzminskas definetely could play in nba,nba likes long and fast white men.But better for him is to stay in euroleague i truly belive in that.Nba is big gamble,if you are not PF-C position player that nba misses alot lately,you are making big risk destroy your career.
    I usually agree with your posts, but not this time. Kuzminskas may have speed, but he lacks quickness so much! Just try to watch him beating his defender.. He either needs to improve his first step or work on better handles. If he manages to make one of those, he will be a superstar, but right now its his main problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cesnakas View Post
    I usually agree with your posts, but not this time. Kuzminskas may have speed, but he lacks quickness so much! Just try to watch him beating his defender.. He either needs to improve his first step or work on better handles. If he manages to make one of those, he will be a superstar, but right now its his main problem.
    Oh, sure, only one compotent of the game seperates him from being super star

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    I couldn't help my self to agree with you about the contract and to disagree about Iliasova and young Kirilenko Iliasova is loved by NBA fans exactly because he is TOUGH. The guy can go for beat out with heavy NBA powerforwards. He works in defence very well. So the comparison is rather weak. Kirilenko wasn't athelete? I mean he surely had even better leaping ability and was even more AGILE, better rebounder and WAY, WAY better defender than Kuzminskas. Just saying. Current Kuzminskas might have an advantage in terms of distant shooting compared to young (and probably old) Kirilenko though.
    Ylasova is tough really? i dont know i always seen Ylasova as 3pointer player.Atleast in turkey i dont even recall seeing him backin up his defender,but recall alot of shots from 5-6 metres and penetrating with his speed against slow PF.But never consider him being some kind beast,that could fight muscle game with strong PF.But i dont watch bucks games,so maybe maybe...How Ylasova is playing game of basketball for me he is SF.
    Secondly are you able to read? i said sometimes he reminds young kirilenko,and the reason is because his body is built similair to young kirilenkos.That kirilenko overall was better player by alot at that age everyone knows . Have even seen young kirilenko with cska? i doubt you have...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cesnakas View Post
    I usually agree with your posts, but not this time. Kuzminskas may have speed, but he lacks quickness so much! Just try to watch him beating his defender.. He either needs to improve his first step or work on better handles. If he manages to make one of those, he will be a superstar, but right now its his main problem.
    Yes when you are 2m06 and you are defending all the time 1m97-2m02 players your first step isnt the fastest one ofcourse.I would even say he is faster than Maciulis.As 2m06 he is running really fast.Do you know faster atleast 2m06 player we have ? He stands up in front of lavrinovic and it looks he in only little bit smaller( i saw myself 3 metres away that) ,but runs way faster than them.Some people i think dont even imagine how long Kuzminskas is. In euroleague kuzminskas was nightmare in SF matchups,because euroleague teams do not have such long SF,that could defend him when Mindaugas learned how back up smaller player.I truly see in him big potentiol,you wont find in any street 2m06 player,that runs like that,jumps like that and shoot ball like that.

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    Well you have to watch some Bucks games than and not to refer 2,3 years back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shawshank View Post
    Sometiumes Kuzminskas reminds me even young Kirilenko and he wasnt athlete,he was similiar to kuzminskas long and fast
    That's were cunfusion started, so don't blame others for lacking clearness in your statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Well you have to watch some Bucks games than and not to refer 2,3 years back.



    That's were cunfusion started, so don't blame others for lacking clearness in your statements.
    He played same way in eb2011 .I dont know what he change in his game and dont have time watching bad teams.But i will see in EB 2013 did he change his style in some way or still playing like SF.

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    Good move by Kuzminskas, if it's true. Unicaja is a team good for development. It doesn't really have a true SF, so Kuzminskas will be valued there. I just hope he gets plenty of playing time and won't end up like Cizauskas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macleopard13 View Post
    Good move by Kuzminskas, if it's true. Unicaja is a team good for development. It doesn't really have a true SF, so Kuzminskas will be valued there. I just hope he gets plenty of playing time and won't end up like Cizauskas.
    So what, how, when and where exactly 20yo Čižauskas ended up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    So what, how, when and where exactly 20yo Čižauskas ended up?
    Ended up on the bench for most of the season on a weak Spanish team. He rocked the U20 world with a 12.6 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 4.6 APG performance without Valanciunas, and now, he's a nobody in ACB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macleopard13 View Post
    Ended up on the bench for most of the season on a weak Spanish team. He rocked the U20 world with a 12.6 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 4.6 APG performance without Valanciunas, and now, he's a nobody in ACB.
    Jesus, macleopard, the guy is 20yo and is playing in the strongest domestic league of Europe. He's averaging 10 minutes in a game. That's better than 25 minutes in average LKL team. He had a good experience this year. Besides, my point is that most of 20 years old barely have a chance to start their PRO careers and Čižauskas faced same ACB experience. That's damn good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Jesus, macleopard, the guy is 20yo and is playing in the strongest domestic league of Europe. He's averaging 10 minutes in a game. That's better than 25 minutes in average LKL team. He had a good experience this year. Besides, my point is that most of 20 years old barely have a chance to start their PRO careers and Čižauskas faced same ACB experience. That's damn good.
    Really? We have plenty of young Lithuanians (under 20) who are already playing in the LKL. They are pros, aren't they? They get paid, don't they?

    Back to the topic, I know that Cizauskas doesn't have the full control over how many minutes he can play in ACB. But still, in the time he's given, I'd expect him to show some signs of promise that he can play decently. But no, he's barely averaging an assist in the 10 minutes he's given. Even for an average point guard, that's poor.

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    Originally Posted by macleopard13
    We can say goodbye to another prospect. Cizauskas has been sucking all season long in Spain. This time he got 17 minutes of playing time against some average ACB team and had 6 points, a steal, 3 turnovers and a foul. No assists again ! His best game in the league was against Joventut, and he still didn't shine (25 mins, 11 pts, 3 assists). Going to Spain was a waste of time and energy.
    Seriously...If you were a young player,one would beg for his agent's number.
    Just hanging about there is a great experience,let alone playing 25 minutes being 20 years old.
    Even by Jasikevicius standards it is something
    Repost from a couple months ago.
    Look,i do not mean to be harsh on you,i know you are young and live across the pond,so...
    Spanish first division is the best league in Europe,no doubt.
    They are well known to provide decent development opportunities for young players from all across the Europe,South America ,Africa too.
    It is investment too,so i am glad that they see something in Cizauskas too.
    He is a first to break this barrier too,which is tough,unless you count Sabonis brothers,who play in a third division.
    Almost anyone in LKL would swap for 10 minutes in ACB regardless who they are,in my opinion, without a second though,given the opportunity.

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    Funny stuff ,that is,being a talent.If you go back on this thread,there are too many names that are not considered a talent anymore.Nore they should had been.
    The reason for this post is simple - A.Slezas interview ,where he said that at the age of 24 (age he got onto lrytas team)he was told he was too young too play,at the age of 29 he was told he was too old to play.
    Another LKL coach commented that a player at 24 should not be considered young anymore,hence no talent there, apparently,where M. Zukauskas replied that no player in his playing day was suppose to shine before he was 25.
    I actually agree with them all.

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