Chinese players growing unnaturally?

[FEIFEI]

[OT discussion on the Greg Slaughter thread, I decided to move the posts and create a thread. rikhardur]

kids these days do grow taller because of new technology, food and medicine. But It does not mean if Junmar is still growing, Greg and Rabeh would be taller also. Every person has a different metobilism plus another factor is the genes. If both parents of the player came from tall families, he could inherit said trait then with the proper nutrition, exercise and medicine it could be farther enhanced. But we must be carefull on what medicines are taken as there are a lot of substances these days that are banned in sports.
A number of European and American athletes do take steroids and other enhancing drugs but as I said this is not allowed. China is rumored to be injecting "hormones" into their athletes and even though they seem to be not detectable, I am afraid that in due time side-effects might appear in due time.

They asked me to trace Jericho and I was able to connect him to the SBP officials but what happened after I am not privy. The last info I got is that JDG does need to strengthen-up but the problem is they found out he has scoliosis. If you ask me, we cannot force the issue and have him go in an extensive weight training, it could permanently damage his spine and could kill him. So what we have is what we get on JDG. Maybe JDG can improve other facets of his game that would not require strenous weight training. The players well-being comes first.

Am sorry but to me being small is not the end of it all, even in basketball. My late father had taught me that one cannot be happy if one is not contented. With what you have, make the best out of it.

Just like what Manny Pacquiao said about Oscar dela Hoya, so what if he is bigger.

We just have to prove we are better, we Filiponos are very innovative. We are people who could adjust much faster than most nationalities. We are known to convert a disadvantage into an advantage. The problem most of the time is our culture, we must learn to stick together much more, we should throw-away the crab-mentality we inherited from our old colonial masters. I know we can do it.

Do you have evidence???
Or you can give me the link of the rumor ??
I never heard any news about what you said in china.incloud rumours.
I think it's a wrong way to growing taller .

[FastskinPRO]

Haha WOW?! Thats a straight up lie Bro. Look at China's population it is fucking massive. Within all gene pools there lie abnormalities to the rule. Look at the Philippines having players taller than 6-8, which is a huge difference than the average 5-4 Pinoy male height i believe? Now imagine our popluation 10X more. Another major factor is genetic breeding. This is where the chinese gain their grounds. Often you will find the tall, athletic men and women who marry and have a child who becomes a superstar, a la Yao Ming. Very wrong from a moral standpoint, but that is communism. Look at the Olympics, China is no one to mess they identify their best athletes at a young age, and train them to death, LITERALLY. In almost all international competitions some sort of drug test is required. After an athlete messes with HGH his gene pool will always be distorted, so doctors can tell if the athlete/player has been messing around with that.

[Alex07]

kids these days do grow taller because of new technology, food and medicine. But It does not mean if Junmar is still growing, Greg and Rabeh would be taller also. Every person has a different metobilism plus another factor is the genes. If both parents of the player came from tall families, he could inherit said trait then with the proper nutrition, exercise and medicine it could be farther enhanced. But we must be carefull on what medicines are taken as there are a lot of substances these days that are banned in sports.
A number of European and American athletes do take steroids and other enhancing drugs but as I said this is not allowed. China is rumored to be injecting "hormones" into their athletes and even though they seem to be not detectable, I am afraid that in due time side-effects might appear in due time.

They asked me to trace Jericho and I was able to connect him to the SBP officials but what happened after I am not privy. The last info I got is that JDG does need to strengthen-up but the problem is they found out he has scoliosis. If you ask me, we cannot force the issue and have him go in an extensive weight training, it could permanently damage his spine and could kill him. So what we have is what we get on JDG. Maybe JDG can improve other facets of his game that would not require strenous weight training. The players well-being comes first.

Am sorry but to me being small is not the end of it all, even in basketball. My late father had taught me that one cannot be happy if one is not contented. With what you have, make the best out of it.

Just like what Manny Pacquiao said about Oscar dela Hoya, so what if he is bigger.

We just have to prove we are better, we Filipinos are very innovative. We are people who could adjust much faster than most nationalities. We are known to convert a disadvantage into an advantage. The problem most of the time is our culture, we must learn to stick together much more, we should throw-away the crab-mentality we inherited from our old colonial masters. I know we can do it.

Apparently we haven't adjusted since the last time we won a major Asian tourney(1960's?).

[FEIFEI]

Haha WOW?! Thats a straight up lie Bro. Look at China's population it is fucking massive. Within all gene pools there lie abnormalities to the rule. Look at the Philippines having players taller than 6-8, which is a huge difference than the average 5-4 Pinoy male height i believe? Now imagine our popluation 10X more. Another major factor is genetic breeding. This is where the chinese gain their grounds. Often you will find the tall, athletic men and women who marry and have a child who becomes a superstar, a la Yao Ming. Very wrong from a moral standpoint, but that is communism. Look at the Olympics, China is no one to mess they identify their best athletes at a young age, and train them to death, LITERALLY. In almost all international competitions some sort of drug test is required. After an athlete messes with HGH his gene pool will always be distorted, so doctors can tell if the athlete/player has been messing around with that.

I just ask a questions ,don't want to fight .
I think you should clean your mess mouth.
Yes !In china some palyer's parents is players too ,like Yao.
But these parents marry freely ,like Yao and his wife Ye li.
Who tell you athletes can not get married with athletes??
Is that wrong from a moral standpoint??
On the Other hand ,most of the players in china's parents are not athletic men and women .Like Yi Jianlian and BATER ,his mother is 160CM height.
And I don't agree your words :"China is no one to mess they identify their best athletes at a young age, and train them to death, "
Yes china find the best athletes at a young age ,and trian them ,but do not train them to death.Because these young athletes love this game,and if thay play good thay will be the superstar like yao and have a good pay.It's very proud to play in NT team.
That's why there are more and more child in china play basketball .

[nardy]

Apparently we haven't adjusted since the last time we won a major Asian tourney(1960's?).

We won the FIBA-Asia 1985 (with Dennis Still and Jeff Moore) in 1973 with an All-filipino line-up we were the Champions.

[eitra]

I just ask a questions ,don't want to fight .
I think you should clean your mess mouth.
Yes !In china some palyer's parents is players too ,like Yao.
But these parents marry freely ,like Yao and his wife Ye li.
Who tell you athletes can not get married with athletes??
Is that wrong from a moral standpoint??
On the Other hand ,most of the players in china's parents are not athletic men and women .Like Yi Jianlian and BATER ,his mother is 160CM height.
And I don't agree your words :"China is no one to mess they identify their best athletes at a young age, and train them to death, "
Yes china find the best athletes at a young age ,and trian them ,but do not train them to death.Because these young athletes love this game,and if thay play good thay will be the superstar like yao and have a good pay.It's very proud to play in NT team.
That's why there are more and more child in china play basketball .

and what happen to those athletes who retired and been playing in china for the rest of their lives they and up nothing,poor and no government support that's why a Chinese table tennis player Wang lie ended up playing in USA team coz china its to much communism for their athlete's.

[nardy]

Feifei you might like to check this out:

http://www.insidehoops.com/yao-ming-china-011806.shtml



A book by an experienced writer claims it was no accident Yao Ming became a basketball player; that the powers that be in China steadily pushed him and held him to that pursuit.

Operation Yao Ming, published by Penguin Group and written by Brook Larmer, a former Newsweek and Christian Science Monitor journalist, says that Chinese officials spent many years anticipating Yao Ming's birth, literally waiting for him to exist because of who his parents were. And from the moment he was born, the powers that be made sure he'd be big like his parents, and made him become a basketball player.

The book claims that Yao Ming's parents were forced to become basketball players because of their size, and they were strongly "encouraged" to marry each other so that their children would be big like they were.

Operation Yao Ming says that the parents didn't want Yao involved, but they couldn't really prevent it. Yao was forced to play basketball his entire life, given growth supplements to make him even bigger than he already was for his age, and raised to become a basketball player whether he liked it or not.

And apparently he didn't like it at all. Larmer writes that Yao wasn't good at basketball for much of his youth, hated playing it, but was made to keep going.

The book also discusses more about Yao's parents, the experiences another Chinese basketball player (Wang Zhizhi) went through, the process of getting Yao out of professional Chinese basketball so the NBA could draft him, various other basketball and political-related business dealings, and much more.

The Creation of Yao Ming



From the beginning, the life of China's biggest sports star was shaped by two powerful, often competing forces: his mother and the communist government

MAMA'S BOY: The 2.26-m Yao may tower over NBA defenders, but he still lives with his mom and dad

Posted Monday, November 7, 2005; 20:00 HKT
Adapted from Operation Yao Ming by Brook Larmer. ©2005 by Penguin Group (USA).
Reprinted with permission of Gotham Books, a member of Penguin Group (USA), and Brook Larmer.
This excerpt originally appeared in Sports Illustrated.

The faint whispers of a genetic conspiracy coursed through the corridors of Shanghai No. 6 Hospital on the evening of Sept. 12, 1980. It was shortly after 7 p.m., and a patient in the maternity ward had just endured an excruciating labor to give birth to a baby boy. An abnormally large baby boy. The doctors and nurses on duty should have anticipated something out of the ordinary. The boy's parents, after all, were retired basketball stars whose marriage the year before had made them the tallest couple in China. The mother, Fang Fengdi, an austere beauty with a pinched smile, measured 1.88 m—more than half a foot taller than the average man in Shanghai. The father, Yao Zhiyuan, was a 2.08-m giant whose body pitched forward in the kind of deferential stoop that comes from a lifetime of ducking under door frames and leaning down to listen to people of more normal dimensions. So imposing was their size that ever since childhood, the two had been known simply as Da Yao and Da Fang—Big Yao and Big Fang.

Still, the medical staff surely had never seen a newborn quite like this: the enormous legs, the broad, squarish cranium, the hands and feet so fully formed that they seemed to belong to a three-year-old. At more than 5 kg, he was nearly double the size of the average Chinese newborn. The name his parents gave him, from a Chinese character that unifies the sun and the moon, was Ming, meaning bright.

News of Yao Ming's birth was quickly relayed across town to the top leaders of the Shanghai Sports Commission. They were not surprised. These men and women had been trying to cultivate a new generation of athletes who would embody the rising power of China. The boy in the maternity ward represented, in many ways, the culmination of their plan.

The experiment had no code name, but in Shanghai basketball circles it might as well have been called Operation Yao Ming. The wheels had been set in motion more than a quarter-century earlier, when Chairman Mao Zedong exhorted his followers to funnel the nation's most genetically gifted youngsters into the emerging communist sports machine. Two generations of Yao Ming's forebears had been singled out by authorities for their hulking physiques, and his mother and father had both been drafted into the sports system. "We had been looking forward to the arrival of Yao Ming for three generations," says Wang Chongguang, a retired Shanghai coach who played with Yao's father in the 1970s and would coach Yao himself in the '90s. "That's why I thought his name should be Yao Panpan." Long-Awaited Yao.

Giddy with the sense of possibility, some officials wanted to start helping the family immediately with food and finances. Others even began pushing for an exception to the country's strictly enforced one-child policy. If China truly wanted to compete internationally, they asked, why shouldn't the nation's tallest couple be allowed to breed an entire team of champions?

One communist leader didn't share in the delight. This man, one of the most powerful sports officials in Shanghai, had bitter memories of the torment inflicted on him by a group of youthful revolutionaries that included Yao Ming's mother. It had taken him nearly a decade to battle his way back to the top. He was in no mood to start bending the rules to help Da Fang.

For him, revenge sounded far sweeter.

for the rest of the full story click this link

[FEIFEI]

Feifei you might like to check this out:

Thanks!

[nardy]

Do you have evidence???
Or you can give me the link of the rumor ??
I never heard any news about what you said in china.incloud rumours.
I think it's a wrong way to growing taller .

For me, these are mere rumors but what I am concerned about is the well-being of the athletes as side-effects might be lethal.

Much HGH comes from China

China's athletes test clean even as nation pumps out the steroids

Online sales of growth hormone flourishing in China

[Alex07]

We won the FIBA-Asia 1985 (with Dennis Still and Jeff Moore) in 1973 with an All-filipino line-up we were the Champions.

it's been a while

[FEIFEI]

For me, these are mere rumors but what I am concerned about is the well-being of the athletes as side-effects might be lethal.

Much HGH comes from China

China's athletes test clean even as nation pumps out the steroids

Online sales of growth hormone flourishing in China

Thanks for your link.
If that is true ,it's a quite wrong way for china .
But if that is not ture, I really want to fuck the guy's mother who make the rumors !

[Alex07]

I think there is nothing wrong if two athletes get married(as long as they are not forced to do so).While steroids is another matter I think doing such thing(same athlete marriage ) would be beneficial for the countries sports program.The thing is,it would'nt guarantee if the child would become an athlete or a great athlete that is(or he or she could become an athlete of a different sport).If I was Slaughter's parent I would "suggest" that he marry a tall girl(probably 6 feet or taller).But then again it's just a matter of suggestion.

[nardy]

it's been a while

but that should not stop us to keep on trying, remember the Philippines were under Spanish colonial rule for several centuries but despite the odds we never ceased to fight for our freedom. We should not give up despite the the overwhelming odds.

[Alex07]

but that should not stop us to keep on trying, remember the Philippines were under Spanish colonial rule for several centuries but despite the odds we never ceased to fight for our freedom. We should not give up despite the the overwhelming odds.

true..But then again let's be scientific on our sports program and they would get the rightful (without somebody taking it for their own xmas bonus)budget for them.

[FastskinPRO]

Fei-Fei I am not trying to pick a fight, but this IS true by all means, http://hammeringsparksfromtheanvil.b...-building.html I actually have a close friend whose family were 1st generation immigrants from Hong Kong. He had relatives who were childhood prodigy swimmers enrolled in some type of sports school, if they did not meet the criteria of their coaches for that certain practice, certain priviledges would be taken away. Some days his cousin would not be allowed to eat DINNER if he did not satisfy the coach that practice. Also look at the Chinese Gymnasts, Questions of Age...., Lots of monkey business going around. Sorry Dude http://myrealitytelevision.com/2008/...s-usa-silvers/

[nardy]

Fei-Fei I am not trying to pick a fight, but this IS true by all means, http://hammeringsparksfromtheanvil.b...-building.html I actually have a close friend whose family were 1st generation immigrants from Hong Kong. He had relatives who were childhood prodigy swimmers enrolled in some type of sports school, if they did not meet the criteria of their coaches for that certain practice, certain priviledges would be taken away. Some days his cousin would not be allowed to eat DINNER if he did not satisfy the coach that practice. Also look at the Chinese Gymnasts, Questions of Age...., Lots of monkey business going around. Sorry Dude http://myrealitytelevision.com/2008/...s-usa-silvers/

this is happening because at present sports is no longer just for the sake of competing as it is now only about winning. So people all over the world, not only in China, would do ways to get an advantage. This is not what the Olympic spirit is all about. Pierre de Coubertin, the founder of the modern Olympics originated the idea that while the Olympics can instill national pride, the cooperation the world's nations may promote peace and prevent conflict. The original vision of the pure amateur athlete had to change under the pressure of corporate sponsorships and political regimes intent on the creation of sports "dynasties".

[FEIFEI]

Fei-Fei I am not trying to pick a fight, but this IS true by all means, http://hammeringsparksfromtheanvil.b...-building.html I actually have a close friend whose family were 1st generation immigrants from Hong Kong. He had relatives who were childhood prodigy swimmers enrolled in some type of sports school, if they did not meet the criteria of their coaches for that certain practice, certain priviledges would be taken away. Some days his cousin would not be allowed to eat DINNER if he did not satisfy the coach that practice. Also look at the Chinese Gymnasts, Questions of Age...., Lots of monkey business going around. Sorry Dude http://myrealitytelevision.com/2008/...s-usa-silvers/

If you really don't want to fight don't use rubbish words.
What you said about the swimmers is ture in china in the past ,but much less in china now .
Actually corporal punishment is truth in sports in china , Korea and Japan .
I konw a news that a women bastetball coah in Japan tell his player who are not training hard run around the ground nakedly .
And I head that a Korea basketball coah give many slap on the face to his players who did not defend hardly in the game vs a team of Chinese taiwan in taiwan.
So I think it's very normal in east asia.
But I think it's very defferenet of injecting "hormones" into athletes and let them growing taller And force athletes to get married to born superstars.
I think if china really do that why thay did not make much more Yao ??Why Yao's parents only has one child ???

[sinobball]

Feifei you might like to check this out:

Have you read the book? I have, from cover to cover more than one time. It was well written and is much more than advertised on those websites. Larmer has some inside information but even he could not provide much evidence of hormone injection in the basketball world so he only used 1 anecdote in a Liaoning Youth Sports School in another sport. Cheating does occur in China, primarily in the form of age shaving, but there is no evidence hormone injection helps with basketball. In fact, I'm probably sure you will never become a 7 footer even if you take hormone all day since the age of 5! As for genetic breeding, again this is ridiculous. Is the marriage of Candace Parker and Sheldon Williams also genetic breeding? In Yao's case, yes his parents were introduced by the authorities but that's not arranged marriage. Which Chinese shorter than 6'7'' would wanna marry a 6'4'' woman anyway...

[sinobball]

Fei-Fei I am not trying to pick a fight, but this IS true by all means, http://hammeringsparksfromtheanvil.b...-building.html I actually have a close friend whose family were 1st generation immigrants from Hong Kong. He had relatives who were childhood prodigy swimmers enrolled in some type of sports school, if they did not meet the criteria of their coaches for that certain practice, certain priviledges would be taken away. Some days his cousin would not be allowed to eat DINNER if he did not satisfy the coach that practice.

This is the Chinese way of training for thousands of years. You ever seen the movie "Farewell my Concubine" or "The King of Masks" (just 2 Chinese movies I think you may find easier than others, about Beijing Opera and street performances)? So when the government does it, it's abuse?

These articles sound like the government is taking children from parents and abuse them to suit their needs. Wrong. First of all, athletes were IDENTIFIED when they were young but never FORCED into sports schools. For example, although Yao Ming's parents were both athletes, they did not send him to sports school at first because they thought athletes lead to a difficult life. Only when he grew to be much taller than most people did they realize he probably has to play basketball for life. Secondly, not only do parents send kids to sports schools they are the ones who want the coaches to be hard on the kids because they want the kids to succeed. This is not only in sports or performance arts but in all facets of life. In the West parents complain if the teachers publicly slap children on the face. In China it is not uncommon to hear parents tell teachers. "Please beat him up, he needs that once a while." You can ask Phantimdx to explain this cultural difference.

[sinobball]

Actually corporal punishment is truth in sports in china , Korea and Japan .
I konw a news that a women bastetball coah in Japan tell his player who are not training hard run around the ground nakedly .
And I head that a Korea basketball coah give many slap on the face to his players who did not defend hardly in the game vs a team of Chinese taiwan in taiwan.

So true. Most people see that the Chinese way different from theirs and they immediately think "evil communism". I am not here to defend the government but I think it's important for people to realize the difference in culture. Korean and Japanese culture has much in common with Chinese when it comes to training, and many times more sadistic than Chinese. China gets picked because it wins many medals and it does have GOVERNMENT-backed sports programs but when it comes to making kids cry it does not even compare to Japan or Korea.