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    Default Reasons Why Asian Teams are Usually Beaten by European Teams

    Size... okay that's one but there's gotta be more.
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    politics?

    long ago, asia (led by the philippines) was better than most eurpoean teams...

    but the development of asian basketball stagnated as philippine basketball regressed.

    now, china leads asia in the world stage. however, europeans have already overtaken asians in basketball. china is trying to catch up with positive results.
    asian basketball, as represented by china, can beat some european NT on a good night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by interxavierxxx View Post
    Size... okay that's one but there's gotta be more.
    The Asians are tall...
    In the Olympics, China was the NT which had the biggest (in size) players...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costa AKA Visseira View Post
    The Asians are tall...
    In the Olympics, China was the NT which had the biggest (in size) players...
    outside china 7 footers are scarce, most national teams only have 1, followed by 2-3 6'10s or 6'9s as backup centers or power forwards.

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    Iran also has tall players.
    Like in so many previous discussions, height isn't everything... It's the tactics, the training, the will, the heart, etc.. European teams are simply better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rikhardur View Post
    Iran also has tall players.
    Like in so many previous discussions, height isn't everything... It's the tactics, the training, the will, the heart, etc.. European teams are simply better.
    correct.

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    Genes probably, although not as athletic as the americans. europeans are physically stronger and bigger than asian players. They are also fundamentally better as a team.

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    I would like to add too, NBA players who had played against asian national teams observed asian cagers have poor dribbling ability and likely to commit more turnovers when under ball pressure.

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    A factor could also be the difference of quality of inter - competition in Euro as compared to inter - competition here in Asia.

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    Its simple... there are more shooters in Europe than in Asia or should I say than the rest of the world... from 1-5 positions... every one can shoot... even Centers....

    Another thing is height that can SHOOT... I mean look at Dirk Nowitzki... he plays Center in the NBA but for Germany he is a Small Forward in some of their games...

    Obviously, there are more Europeans than Asians in the NBA... I mean if its not because of fairness... the World Championships should be between the Americas (North and South) and Europe...

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    There are many factors that need to be noted other than size.

    1) Level of bball standards+competition in the European Leagues is much better than in Asia.

    2) The correct training+development of players starting from a very young age is much more advanced in Europe.

    3) Having scouts and being able to recognize the talented players at a young age
    (example: in Lebanon we have a 218 cm center whom is 18 years old but still needs to work alot on his bball skills and he is not in good physical shape. If this kid was in Europe I assure u that the scouts would have noticed him when he was still a young teenager and worked on him to become a great player)

    4) Money. The amount of money being spent in good leagues in Europe is much more than that in Asia (The only exceptions would be China and maybe Lebanon, considering that we pay good amounts for the top foreigners in our League but not as much as in China)

    5) Professions+Professionalism. In Europe sports is a profession. In most leagues in Asia we still have amateur leagues (Maybe the CBA is the only legitimate professional league in Asia+maybe Philippines as well). Ethics+culture call also be considered under this domain. In Europe for professional bball players, bball becomes a way of life. They breathe, eat and drink bball .

    6) European Championships such as the Euroleague and Eurocup where the top teams from all over Europe play against each other helps maintain this high level of bball. Our Asian Cup Teams Championship unfortunately is a joke

    7) Duration of the league. Many Leagues in Europe start approx. in October or November and last till May with at least 2-3 games on a weekly basis (Again the CBA is the only league in Asia where something close to that amount of games r played). Practice makes perfect

    This is what I could come up with for now. I'm sure there r many other reasons as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by onono1 View Post
    I would like to add too, NBA players who had played against asian national teams observed asian cagers have poor dribbling ability and likely to commit more turnovers when under ball pressure.
    That fact is related with the quality of the coaches who teach young players in Asia...

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    Khalid named main factors, but there are also such things as culture or better say customs, manners/habits that slows down progression. F.e. there was interview with Kazlauskas about his years in China (living, coaching) and he mentioned some things that prevents NT to improve faster, f.e. younger players has just waaay too much respect for older ones, way too much. Even if they are better, they just don't try too much and don't want to overcome older ones and to take there place. Kazlauskas said that he had to work on that for very long time, just to change their mentality. I don't remember all the details from interview, did he finally fully succeed in that, cause I read it few months ago, but most probably similar or other kind issues is in other Asian teams too, cause most of Asian countries are not as open-minded as European, there are still strong political/cultural influence on people


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mindozas View Post
    Khalid named main factors, but there are also such things as culture or better say customs, manners/habits that slows down progression. F.e. there was interview with Kazlauskas about his years in China (living, coaching) and he mentioned some things that prevents NT to improve faster, f.e. younger players has just waaay too much respect for older ones, way too much. Even if they are better, they just don't try too much and don't want to overcome older ones and to take there place. Kazlauskas said that he had to work on that for very long time, just to change their mentality. I don't remember all the details from interview, did he finally fully succeed in that, cause I read it few months ago, but most probably similar or other kind issues is in other Asian teams too, cause most of Asian countries are not as open-minded as European, there are still strong political/cultural influence on people
    Interesting point Mindozas. Respect for the elderly is very important especially in East Asian cultures.

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    I cannot comment on the others, but I think as far as China goes, mentality really plays a part.

    I don't think it's common in China to play dirty, at least judging by my experiences on playgrounds there and watching CBA games and the national team. That's for example something Yao had to learn coming into the NBA. Yi has a certain playground type swagger, but I'm not sure he's able to play hard and dirty basketball like European players are known to do.

    Discipline, work ethic and respect for the coaches is never going to be a problem.

    We already had a thread discussing this, and I'm sure users "sinoball" and "phantim3dx" can provide a much more detailed input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbe View Post
    I cannot comment on the others, but I think as far as China goes, mentality really plays a part.

    I don't think it's common in China to play dirty, at least judging by my experiences on playgrounds there and watching CBA games and the national team. That's for example something Yao had to learn coming into the NBA. Yi has a certain playground type swagger, but I'm not sure he's able to play hard and dirty basketball like European players are known to do.

    Discipline, work ethic and respect for the coaches is never going to be a problem.

    We already had a thread discussing this, and I'm sure users "sinoball" and "phantim3dx" can provide a much more detailed input.
    europeans basketball players are known to play a rough and tumble style of basketball but theyre not dirty. they play very physical but not dirty. maybe they incorporate football mentality to basketball thats why they play the game that way.

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