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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight forward View Post
    Picek, don't make full of your self while making conlutions from one game. Janavičius and Vasiliauskas are already good point guards and if you don't know shit about them please keep silent.
    yup, Janavičius is a perfect PG..
    couldn't take a ball over the half court line, made one turnover after another when italians would press him just a little bit, he simply collapsed and didn't know what to do..
    fifth in tournament in turnovers..
    perfect..
    don't know why you have a need to defend him since he is the first one to blame for yesterdays defeat..
    nothing wrong in that..
    and o.k., you should definitely know better then me so I won't continue with it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Picek View Post
    yup, Janavičius is a perfect PG..
    couldn't take a ball over the half court line, made one turnover after another when italians would press him just a little bit, he simply collapsed and didn't know what to do..
    fifth in tournament in turnovers..
    perfect..
    don't know why you have a need to defend him since he is the first one to blame for yesterdays defeat..
    nothing wrong in that..
    and o.k., you should definitely know better then me so I won't continue with it..
    He's 5th in turnovers, but he's also 5th in assists and 2nd in steals. Don't look from one side Janavicius is a great prospect, but he needs to improve his shooting and ball handling with his right hand.

    You probably saw one single game of him, if so, I would recommend you to have watched him playing against Panathinaikos in Euroleague in the beginning of the season or some games like that one.

    Whats more, he's definetely not the first one to be blamed for defeat, the coach is. As for the players, Motiejunas, Vasiliauskas, Buterlevicius had far worse games than Janavicius.

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    Talent-wise we had the team, which is probably biggest gold contender, but the way we're playin' put us to a place where we're now (5-8 places). It was horrible and not only 4th qtr. I was wondering why the hell we are so struggling all tournament long and of course looking only at stats you can't find out why, but when I saw the game yesterday it answered all such questions. I saw almost none combinations or smth, the game was based on some 1on1 tries, mostly unsuccesfull. Was it coaches tactics or just players didn't do what they were asked? 2-3min we're playin' good, then 5mins we're scoreless, so how you can expect a win with such display? Also I expected more balls to our big guys, but the ball was mostly running near 3pts line. If we're playin' like that all the games, then this loss is nothing unexpected.
    Regarding Janavicius or Vasiliauskas, they are still growing as a players, but they has big potential, only needs to develop some things. Regarding yesterday's game, it was poor for both of them, far from their real capabilities. Janavicius seemed like couldn't handle the pressure a bit, after some unsuccesfull moments he kinda lost self-confidence.
    However IMO with such display we get what we deserved and against France we'd have no chances what so ever


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    Any chance to watch France-Italy on free sat (like ERT) or via streaming tonight? Thanks in advance.

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    I have to go with Picek on this.
    Regarding Motiejunas – I felt that he was excluded and wasn’t part of the team – and I can only speculate on this, hence -
    He didn’t stay in the team for 2008-2009 LKL season (was it triobet or aisciai?) which was based on them players playing together for Sabonis basketball school and later on in NKL.
    He was dispatched from U19 world championship in the last minute with Messiahs mission –to lead the team to medals to which some team mates might have had some objections (you have to earn your place in the team ,not to be handed on the silver plate, right?)
    Plus his body language – head tucked into his shoulders and desperate moves was more suggestive of a frustrated young man not a upcoming star.
    I do not doubt his talent it just that this situation did not helped neither him, nor the team.

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    France is the best team of the tournament and not the Lithuanian.They are the favorites even if the deal with Greeks in the final or Spanish.
    i just cant see Italy winning France tonight.So for me they will go to the final for sure.On the other semi it is a classic european national basketball derby...even in younger ages (whoever saw what was happening in the game of the group knows what i mean..) if Greece qualify since they are a winning team it will be a great match to see.dont forget these Greeks were european champions last year and second world champions this year.They know how to play big games.If Spain qualify they wont be the favorite but ofcourse they have many chances.
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    Israel lost to Germany and re-delegated to Division B (for the first time in U20 history )

    No wonders here - we have no bigs, and our tradition of producing quality guards is non existent in this generation , hopefully our current U18 team with Tishman & Bouchman and will help push us back into Division A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Picek View Post
    yup, Janavičius is a perfect PG..
    couldn't take a ball over the half court line, made one turnover after another when italians would press him just a little bit, he simply collapsed and didn't know what to do..
    fifth in tournament in turnovers..
    perfect..
    don't know why you have a need to defend him since he is the first one to blame for yesterdays defeat..
    nothing wrong in that..
    and o.k., you should definitely know better then me so I won't continue with it..
    You are one of these guys who likes to talk but not to listen, right? No one said Janavičius is perfect, but even in that game he wasn't the worst player in the game. You shouldn't depreciate him because of one game. You will change your opinion in the future I'm sure


    Quote Originally Posted by zyy View Post
    He's 5th in turnovers, but he's also 5th in assists and 2nd in steals. Don't look from one side Janavicius is a great prospect, but he needs to improve his shooting and ball handling with his right hand.

    You probably saw one single game of him, if so, I would recommend you to have watched him playing against Panathinaikos in Euroleague in the beginning of the season or some games like that one.
    Exactly. More over he grabs 5 rebounds per game. He's fast as hell (maybe the fastest player in the tournament?) and athletic, has a very nice sharp passing abilities. His problems is shooting and ball handling with the right hand as you said, but he is improving. Anyway, Janavičius is the last guy to criticize in this tournament. Vasiliauskas and Motiejūnas are biggest upsets on this tounament, I hope they will lear this lesson.

    I have to agree with Mindozas. The coach was gone somewhere. No timeouts, no game plan, even the last attack wasn't prepared. Juškevičius didn't expect the ball. I didn't see any combination as well. Well, the tournament wasn't so bad anyway, Lithuania fucked up at the end, but still they are only future players. No tragedy here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Bounce View Post
    Israel lost to Germany and re-delegated to Division B (for the first time in U20 history )

    No wonders here - we have no bigs, and our tradition of producing quality guards is non existent in this generation , hopefully our current U18 team with Tishman & Bouchman and will help push us back into Division A
    I am sure that Israel would be back in A Div in no time as they always have bb tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toxicity View Post
    Any chance to watch France-Italy on free sat (like ERT) or via streaming tonight? Thanks in advance.
    I am sure that ERT Sat would have the game live

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    Quote Originally Posted by g.g View Post
    I am sure that ERT Sat would have the game live
    I think they will broadcast Greece-Spain but not France-Italy according to their site... while tomorrow they'll show both bronze and gold medal games.

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    Thank god, Lipkevicius is injured

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    Will the semifinals be broadcast? If yes, please put a link.

    Thanks.

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    We're in the final!!! Once again Sloukas was very impressive, along with Papanikolaou and Giannopoulos. Congrats to everyone!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroleague View Post
    We're in the final!!! Once again Sloukas was very impressive, along with Papanikolaou and Giannopoulos. Congrats to everyone!!!
    LOL, I wouldn't expect something better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KWSN-Men View Post
    LOL, I wouldn't expect something better...
    Me too, don't worry. I guess for you, Sloukas and Giannopoulos don't even exist....

    Watched the game btw ? What's ur opinion ? Who was the key factor for the comeback fe ?

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    Great game, it is true Sloukas hit a decisive three pointer and Giannopoulos another 2 three's before that...

    Now we'll see what happens in the final

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euroleague View Post
    Me too, don't worry. I guess for you, Sloukas and Giannopoulos don't even exist....

    Watched the game btw ? What's ur opinion ? Who was the key factor for the comeback fe ?
    Gianopoulos, Sarikopoulos, Bogris

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    kudos to Italy and their fighting spirit but man they are annoying,France is doing everythin right so far,plays much better and is ahead only by six cause Italians are hittin the most crazy 3 pointers.Feels like athens semis.I can't wait for the new 3 point line to finally arrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jon_Koncak View Post
    kudos to Italy and their fighting spirit but man they are annoying,France is doing everythin right so far,plays much better and is ahead only by six cause Italians are hittin the most crazy 3 pointers.Feels like athens semis.I can't wait for the new 3 point line to finally arrive.
    You know, we have 6-7, 6-8 forwards forced to play inside... and, honestly, this roster doesn't seem the best possible to me talent wise... if only we had Renzi...

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